Covid 19 -

[LG17]

Going only by news reports (I don't live anywhere near Victoria) there seems to be hundreds/thousands of people in the Melbourne area who don't give a toss about the virus. Markets are crowded, social distancing is lacking...
Is this correct?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by LG17

Going only by news reports (I don't live anywhere near Victoria) there seems to be hundreds/thousands of people in the Melbourne area who don't give a toss about the virus. Markets are crowded, social distancing is lacking...
Is this correct?

Nah the ones wearing masks are the ones who don't care



Not all masks are created equally I see because you can wear those ones in a bank but you can't wear a surgical one in there.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Nah the ones wearing masks are the ones who don't care

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Not all masks are created equally I see because you can wear those ones in a bank but you can't wear a surgical one in there.

Post of the day...

[LG17]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Nah the ones wearing masks are the ones who don't care

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Not all masks are created equally I see because you can wear those ones in a bank but you can't wear a surgical one in there.

So you appear to be implying that all those I've seen not social distancing etc are doing the right thing.

[Sprintey]

"Going only by news reports (I don't live anywhere near Victoria) there seems to be hundreds/thousands of people in the Melbourne area who don't give a toss about the virus. Markets are crowded, social distancing is lacking...
Is this correct?"



Being out in the regions and looking in, we see the footage of the testing where they are distanced, and read the stories of silly behaviour like the butter chicken run or people driving the length of the metro area - probably a minority of people. We also hear the Premier say the streets of the SE metro area are more quiet. Don't know really.

There's certainly a group that don't care. As for the FB groups suggesting it may all be a conspiracy, yep, I've entertained this and it could be true. At the same time most grand plots tend to have something of substance behind them, so the virus could be real too, so I take precautions.

It's certainly a great way to crash the global economy as it was. Behaviour and mindset is now changed. Whether we reopen it all tomorrow with no restrictions or lock down until elimination, that goose is already cooked. In some ways it's a relief - replacing productive industry with masterchef and the block was never going to be sustainable.

[Franco Cozzo]

Done a bit of driving through Neppean HWY around Karen's Brighton territory - still busy around there, people running in groups doing their exercise in their active wear.

Might buy some of that Lorna Jane activewear that cures cancer and creates world peace

[Franco Cozzo]

Former senator David Leyonhjelm is getting stuck in on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/DavidLeyonhjelm/...67347043618817

Raises a good point, standard operating procedure in Victoria is give Victoria Police draconian powers, unless you need them to actually do something other than revenue raise - like looking after quarantine hotels.

[HIPO]

Too bad none of the masks peeps are actually wearing stop anything either way, except for spittle, which would be covered by distancing!.... what an absolute joke!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by HIPO

Too bad none of the masks peeps are actually wearing stop anything either way, except for spittle, which would be covered by distancing!.... what an absolute joke!

Its a good excuse to play fancy dress at work and not have to shave for a couple of weeks at least

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Thought I'd share my experience:

After hearing that it is now recommended that all Victorians wear a mask out in public, I went out and bought a box of 50 disposable masks today, happy to do my bit to protect both myself and others.

So here's my situation. I live by myself, in Gippsland, and have been working from home on a full-time basis since the end of March. My work is about 50kms down the road, hence most of my work mates don't live near me and I don't tend to socialise with them much outside of work. I don't have a big circle of friends near where I live because I spend a lot of my time at work, 50kms away.

I have my daughter with me on an alternating weekly basis. I see my mum, who lives not far away, a few times a week. She just turned 70 but is pretty fit and healthy, apart from getting bronchitis nearly every winter. (funnily enough, she hasn't so far this winter, touch wood).

So, for me, the biggest risk area for contracting CV-19 is my weekly grocery shop. So, I used a mask today for the first time. When I did my shop at the local Woolies, I could count on one hand the number of others that were wearing a mask too. And most of those were older folk. I certainly received my fair share of looks.

Given that I am a glasses wearer, I did find the mask a little awkward to begin with. My glasses tended to fog up at times. But after a while i did get used to it, and I got used to people having a second look. To me, it reminded me of the first time wearing any PPE for work; it felt different initially, but I soon got used to it.

One major positive out of wearing the mask for me was that I found I touched my face (eyes, mouth) significantly less whilst wearing the mask compared to without.

The benefit from that element alone would encourage me to continue to wear a mask in high risk areas (dong a shop at the local supermarket).

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

I see my mum, who lives not far away, a few times a week. She just turned 70 but is pretty fit and healthy, apart from getting bronchitis nearly every winter.

And that is a good enough reason. And why we are all asked to.

Well done.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

One major positive out of wearing the mask for me was that I found I touched my face (eyes, mouth) significantly less whilst wearing the mask compared to without.
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I was the opposite. When I first started wearing one, I found myself constantly adjusting it, which would inevitably involve touching some part of the face. But now that I'm used to it, its less of a problem.

[cheap]

TP shortages and now Mask shortages. What's next?

[.:4:.]

Clearly shortages of rational and responsible behaviour

[Franco Cozzo]

There's an unknown Melbourne based MMA fighter whose been picked up by the media and gone viral about his stance on COVID19 and masks becoming mandatory

Self-proclaimed “world class MMA fighter” Vik Grujic has announced he “will not comply” with the Victorian government’s directive that all Melburnians must wear face masks.

Grujic says he “will never bow to a dictatorship” after premier Daniel Andrews announced the measure which will come into effect on Wednesday due to the second COVID-19 wave in Victoria.

https://7news.com.au/sport/ufc/i-wil...rule-c-1176645

[marty351]

Who's Vic Grujic?

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by marty351

Who's Vic Grujic?

Some unknown who wants to get his name in lights for the wrong reasons.One of these people who think rules are made for them to flout

[Captain Stubing]

An interesting story, my wife has two sisters who live in the UK came to visit us in Australia in March of this year, when Covid was an international whisper. They were to stay for three weeks, but the situation ramped up, and the UK wanted them to return home ASAP, which they did at considerable expense.

One of the sisters is a nurse, and was sent to work in a ward for Covid patients. She caught the virus. The other sister worked from home, and wasn't affected. The sister who caught the virus lived in what we call a Townhouse, with her daughter and her daughter's partner. At the end of it, she didn't pass the Covid virus to her daughter and partner, just by keeping apart in the same townhouse, and observing hygene standards.

My wife's sister is a bit ditzy, as well, so I think she did well.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Captain Stubing

An interesting story, my wife has two sisters who live in the UK came to visit us in Australia in March of this year, when Covid was an international whisper. They were to stay for three weeks, but the situation ramped up, and the UK wanted them to return home ASAP, which they did at considerable expense.

One of the sisters is a nurse, and was sent to work in a ward for Covid patients. She caught the virus. The other sister worked from home, and wasn't affected. The sister who caught the virus lived in what we call a Townhouse, with her daughter and her daughter's partner. At the end of it, she didn't pass the Covid virus to her daughter and partner, just by keeping apart in the same townhouse, and observing hygene standards.

My wife's sister is a bit ditzy, as well, so I think she did well.

Interesting they all live in the same apartment and didn't spread it yet in Melbourne it's spreading like wildfire between parts of our North Western suburbs in community transmission cases up the wazoo.

[XR Martin]

New strain is why, it appears to be more virulent than the earlier strain.

Oh BTW it was pretty obvious in early March that this was going to get bad.
Even mid February someone like a nurse should have seen the signs.

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Interesting they all live in the same apartment and didn't spread it yet in Melbourne it's spreading like wildfire between parts of our North Western suburbs in community transmission cases up the wazoo.

That's it, she was aware she may have been infected, so was careful in her actions. It wasn't till later after she recovered, she was tested and found to have the Covid antibodies in her system that she knew it was Covid, and not a case of the flu.

She should have stayed here so we could go sailing up the Pumicestone Passage more often!

[Jack91]

If its so dangerous that we need to wear masks to go into the city then LOCK IT DOWN FFS. Noone in or out except for critical supplies. No work. Protests or gatherings get broken up with heavy force, no questions asked. Full riot squad.
Regular people 100s of kms from Melbourne are crapping ourselves about what astronomically stupid thing you city dwellers are going to do next because we dont want it here

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Jack91

If its so dangerous that we need to wear masks to go into the city then LOCK IT DOWN FFS. Noone in or out except for critical supplies. No work. Protests or gatherings get broken up with heavy force, no questions asked. Full riot squad.
Regular people 100s of kms from Melbourne are crapping ourselves about what astronomically stupid thing you city dwellers are going to do next because we dont want it here

It'll cause immense damage to the economy, more than it's already caused.

I'm wondering where we cross the point where we decide what people's lives are worth and let it run rampant by opening everything up.

This sort of semi lockdown can't happen forever.

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

It'll cause immense damage to the economy, more than it's already caused.

I'm wondering where we cross the point where we decide what people's lives are worth and let it run rampant by opening everything up.

This sort of semi lockdown can't happen forever.

I agree, but it seems like theres no end to government money handouts. Most of us will just lose our houses and cars, but its cool because everyone in the dhs and centrelink system will get another bonus.

I guess i have a hard time understanding how many people go to uni all their lives, endless research grants and funding, millions of books i cant even read the title of, yet noone can sort this out.
Ive been building stuff, what have all the 'educated' people been doing? I thought we had people for this.

But I guess they did come up with rubbing alcohol on your hands and wearing a mask that filters out less crap than a winnie blue.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Jack91

I agree, but it seems like theres no end to government money handouts. Most of us will just lose our houses and cars, but its cool because everyone in the dhs and centrelink system will get another bonus.

I guess i have a hard time understanding how many people go to uni all their lives, endless research grants and funding, millions of books i cant even read the title of, yet noone can sort this out.
Ive been building stuff, what have all the 'educated' people been doing? I thought we had people for this.

But I guess they did up with rubbing alcohol on your hands and wearing a mask that filters out less crap than a winnie blue.

Not enough sociology books I suppose, there's a lot of conjecture about Australians standing up for one another, what's right and a 'fair go' - Melbourne is showing you it's a long gone ethos, no one cares about community or each other, we're a very diverse city though, the most multicultural capital city in the country, our universities and employers have been hooked on international students and cheap labour through migration and casualisation of the workforce.

We experienced things early on like the 'daigou' buying up all the baby formula and exporting it, there's huge parts of our community who run business solely through 'wechat', they've got a lots of masks for sale at the moment but everyone else can't buy any at the shops? Even have their own uber eats style service, this all just services a micro economy within Melbourne that caters to their community alone, you might be able to get some benefits if you have friends involved.

It's just a repeat of what my grandparents did in the 1940s/1950s, we've seen it before.

Nearly 40% of Melbourne's population was born overseas - it's the second largest capital city at circa 5 million people, 20% of Australia's entire population lives in Melbourne, and I mean just Melbourne, not the rest of Victoria.

It's probably hard to conceptualise this for people in much smaller and less multicultural capital cities, you don't experience the micro communities and economies divided by race, ethnic identity, ideology and religion to the same extent we do.

Is it a mystery why Melbourne and in particular North Western and South Eastern suburbs/regions are having issues?

When the Spanish Flu came about 100 years ago information and communication didn't play such a huge role, it was easier to contain.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Not enough sociology books I suppose, there's a lot of conjecture about Australians standing up for one another, what's right and a 'fair go' - Melbourne is showing you it's a long gone ethos, no one cares about community or each other, we're a very diverse city though, the most multicultural capital city in the country, our universities and employers have been hooked on international students and cheap labour through migration and casualisation of the workforce.

We experienced things early on like the 'daigou' buying up all the baby formula and exporting it, there's huge parts of our community who run business solely through 'wechat', they've got a lots of masks for sale at the moment but everyone else can't buy any at the shops? Even have their own uber eats style service, this all just services a micro economy within Melbourne.

It's just a repeat of what my grandparents did in the 1940s/1950s, we've seen it before.

Nearly 40% of Melbourne's population was born overseas - it's the second largest capital city at circa 5 million people, 20% of Australia's entire population lives in Melbourne, and I mean just Melbourne, not the rest of Victoria.

It's probably hard to conceptualise this for people in much smaller and less multicultural capital cities.

Is it a mystery why Melbourne and in particular certain North Western and South Eastern suburbs/regions are having issues?

When the Spanish Flu came about 100 years ago information and communication didn't play such a huge role, it was easier to contain.

Yep, 6 million people live in Victoria, 5 million live in Melbourne.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Jack91

If its so dangerous that we need to wear masks to go into the city then LOCK IT DOWN FFS. Noone in or out except for critical supplies. No work. Protests or gatherings get broken up with heavy force, no questions asked. Full riot squad.
Regular people 100s of kms from Melbourne are crapping ourselves about what astronomically stupid thing you city dwellers are going to do next because we dont want it here

IMO they're trying to steer the response by data, the data is infections that were acquired on average 11 days ago, trying to do this means you are behind a very fast moving adversary. Those who have controlled/eradicated it locked down hard and early like NZ. A sudden hit, but now their internal economy is opened unrestricted.

And yes Jack there have been some total facepalm moments at the behaviour, hope that is a tiny minority

[nstg8a]

Every life has a dollar value whether we like it or not.

It’s only a matter of time before we get to the stage where it’s just “well, we’ve done everything to try and knock this over and you morons would rather have COVID parties, avoid border controls and just generally act like retards... so, it’s every man for himself. Time to let nature clean out the gene pool.”

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Every life has a dollar value whether we like it or not.

It’s only a matter of time before we get to the stage where it’s just “well, we’ve done everything to try and knock this over and you morons would rather have COVID parties, avoid border controls and just generally act like retards... so, it’s every man for himself. Time to let nature clean out the gene pool.”

There'll be "safe contraction rooms" coming to a suburb near you very soon.

[russellw]

One of the measures that should indicate whether a particular country is getting a handle on the spread is the percentile value of the most recent case numbers and while you could argue what that number should be, I've taken the view that if any of the three most recent daily counts are above the 90th percentile then you probably aren't getting to grips with it.

In South America; countries like Brazil (only just), Chile, Spain, Peru and Ecuador are below the 95th percentile but Argentina, Bolivia, Colombia, Panama, Venezuela and Costa Rica are all still recording numbers above that level.

In Asia; Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, Turkey, Iran, South Korea, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Singapore, Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Nepal, Armenia Tajikistan and Yemen are all below the 90th percentile while Indonesia, Iraq, Israel, Philippines, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, India and Palestine aren't.

In Europe; Russia, Belarus, France, Sweden, United Kingdom, Moldova, Germany and Italy are all below the 95th percentile while Ukraine remains above.

Australia is above the 95th percentile and has been for seven of the last ten days.