Covid 19 -

[cheap]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

How does wearing a mask for a lengthy period cause harm?

They capture bacteria and germs from your breath and from the environment, becoming incubators for all the nasties.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by cheap

They capture bacteria and germs from your breath and from the environment, becoming incubators for all the nasties.

Certainly a mask will capture germs from your breath; that's the whole point. But if you're already infected how is that harmful? And the mask is meant to trap the lumps of snot coughed up by others. Would you rather just suck them straight in? Yummy.

Nothing works well if you don't use it properly and masks are no different. Like socks and jocks it's a good idea to change them regularly. I don't understand how mask wearing became political, it's just a piece of equipment to do a job. The sooner we get the right gear and start using it we can all get back to work. How did that become such a problem?

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by EgoFG

It is funny, in USA mask wearers are characterised as being politically 'left', barefaced people are considered to be politically 'right'.
My observation is that such stereotypes only work in the extreme.
I live in Atlanta - largely left but lets assume 50/50 - and at the local shops very few wear masks.


I have seen, only in the media, extreme righwing people vocalising their opinion to not wear a mask.
I have seen, only in the media, extreme leftwing people wearing masks while they (violently) protest

And that in itself is where the problem lies. A lot of the fear is coming through the media. They (or whoever controls the media) have a lot to answer for.

[russellw]

The reality is that the original recommendations from the WHO and US CDC were based more on ensuring that limited supplies of N95 masks were available for front-line health care workers and (officially) the early belief that the disease prevalence was low.

Current recommendations from both organisations is that they should be worn when in public and they are now mandatory in several countries as well as parts of the USA. Current studies indicate that masks are probably of greatest benefit in stopping an infected person passing it on (which is why one-way valve masks are banned in countries that mandated them) but there is still a clear benefit to an uninfected person in terms of protection.

In Australia, the national Department of Health said on 9 July that masks are recommended in areas where community transmission is occurring and where physical distancing is difficult.

Another piece of interesting data coming out of the USA is that while the hospitalisation rate for over 65's is around 300 / 100k of population, the rate for under 30's has increased substantially and is now ~35 / 100k.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by russellw

The reality is that the original recommendations from the WHO and US CDC were based more on ensuring that limited supplies of N95 masks were available for front-line health care workers and (officially) the early belief that the disease prevalence was low.

Current recommendations from both organisations is that they should be worn when in public and they are now mandatory in several countries as well as parts of the USA. Current studies indicate that masks are probably of greatest benefit in stopping an infected person passing it on (which is why one-way valve masks are banned in countries that mandated them) but there is still a clear benefit to an uninfected person in terms of protection.

In Australia, the national Department of Health said on 9 July that masks are recommended in areas where community transmission is occurring and where physical distancing is difficult.

Another piece of interesting data coming out of the USA is that while the hospitalisation rate for over 65's is around 300 / 100k of population, the rate for under 30's has increased substantially and is now ~35 / 100k.

Add to that, if I may. The authorities are now reasonably sure the "second wave" in Melbourne came about from the disease escaping from hotel quarantine. The security guards contracted the virus from OS arrivals; spread it between one another and then their families.

Had the security guards followed proper hygiene protocols the second wave may not have happened.

Had the security guards warn masks worth a couple of dollars, how much money and inconvenience would have been saved not having a second lock down?

Not to mention all the extra people becoming ill and some dieing.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Add to that, if I may. The authorities are now reasonably sure the "second wave" in Melbourne came about from the disease escaping from hotel quarantine. The security guards contracted the virus from OS arrivals; spread it between one another and then their families.

Had the security guards followed proper hygiene protocols the second wave may not have happened.

Had the security guards warn masks worth a couple of dollars, how much money and inconvenience would have been saved not having a second lock down?

Not to mention all the extra people becoming ill and some dieing.

So wearing a mask whilst partaking in sexual activities with infected people would have saved Victoria?

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by cheap

So wearing a mask whilst partaking in sexual activities with infected people would have saved Victoria?

No
Wearing a mask and doing your frigging job properly would have saved Victoria..
Simple. They were there to do a Security job not to make cheap porn.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by russellw

Another piece of interesting data coming out of the USA is that while the hospitalisation rate for over 65's is around 300 / 100k of population, the rate for under 30's has increased substantially and is now ~35 / 100k.

I honestly wonder if the increase cited above reflects an element of mass psychogenic illness. It seems to be a potential influence that’s barely been discussed.

[Charliewool]

Over here it’s simple... If you DON’T wear a mask, NO admission to supermarket, bank, hardware, or virtually any shop, anywhere.
Which ALL btw have a wash station and a Tico on the door that watches you wash your hands, then spray alcohol disinfectant on your hands.
It’s not that hard!...
Anywhere with a shopping trolley, they also spray sh it outta the handles after each person uses it...
A heap of businesses now are giving out custom masks with their logo on them, so at least some struggling locals, in their usual inventive ways are cashing in.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by cheap

So wearing a mask whilst partaking in sexual activities with infected people would have saved Victoria?

Bring out the Gimp!

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by cheap

So wearing a mask whilst partaking in sexual activities with infected people would have saved Victoria?

from the heady days in March:

https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/x...rnhub-xhamster

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Add to that, if I may. The authorities are now reasonably sure the "second wave" in Melbourne came about from the disease escaping from hotel quarantine. The security guards contracted the virus from OS arrivals; spread it between one another and then their families.

Had the security guards followed proper hygiene protocols the second wave may not have happened.

Had the security guards warn masks worth a couple of dollars, how much money and inconvenience would have been saved not having a second lock down?

Not to mention all the extra people becoming ill and some dieing.

Are saying what I think you are saying? That the cause of the recent spread in Vic was the result of the security guards involved in overseeing the hotel quarantine?

You surely jest. I thought the outbreak was the fault of the Victorian state government!

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

This site has some great advice on the use of face masks, including cloth masks.

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/face-mas...ar-a-face-mask

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Are saying what I think you are saying? That the cause of the recent spread in Vic was the result of the security guards involved in overseeing the hotel quarantine?

You surely jest. I thought the outbreak was the fault of the Victorian state government!

I am arguing for commonsense solutions that may help as we all have to live with this for some time to come.

I am trying not being dragged into culture wars which are; tribal, nonsensical and not helpful in dealing with Covid19.

[cheap]

I have a mate who lives in Kenya, a population of 51,390,000 million, and 202 C19 deaths.

The Kenyan doctors have long believed that their BCG (TB) vaccine program has helped fight C19. Maybe they are onto something?

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2.../07/2008410117

[Mulva]

Said it earlier but will repeat the offer - if it gets to the point where masks are in short supply in Vic then let us know...will happily send some over to any members that can't get them if they feel it will help keep them and their loved ones safe.

[russellw]

237 new cases for Australia 3 deaths so CMR rises to 1.058% and active cases rise to 2,448. WA recorded 8 while NSW recorded 13 and the balance were in Victoria.

1 new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.426% and active cases remain at 25.

The UK recorded 538 new cases and 85 deaths yesterday so the CMR rises to 15.434%.

Just over 65.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 896 deaths sees CMR down to 3.925% and active cases at 50.9% but the raw numbers are rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The USA completes 44M tests;
The USA has now recorded more than 60k cases 7 of the last 8 days;
South America passes 3M cases;
Asia recorded a new daily high with 59,894 new cases;

El Salvador (342), Algeria(554) and India 32,682 (in blue as I missed the new high of 29,842 yesterday) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

An interesting anomaly is the similarity of case numbers between South America and Asia (~3M) despite the big difference in population with Asia having more than 10x the population of South America.

[Tickford.]

317 cases for Victoria in the last 24 hours.

Jackpot!

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

317 cases for Victoria in the last 24 hours.

Jackpot!

I think:

Victoria is destined for full lockdown.

NSW is still containing C19 (but it is getting worse).

Qld monitoring the situation and as a precaution will fully close its borders again.

[FPV8U]

Masks is a simple issue, if you wish to wear one, do, if you don’t wish to wear one, don’t and neither side should be throwing shade at the other unless of course you are someone who is turning it into a political issue.

Those wearing the masks are protected, those who aren’t wearing a mask aren’t endangering those who do if they work.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Masks is a simple issue, if you wish to wear one, do, if you don’t wish to wear one, don’t and neither side should be throwing shade at the other unless of course you are someone who is turning it into a political issue.

Those wearing the masks are protected, those who aren’t wearing a mask aren’t endangering those who do if they work.

I think it is that simple in most of Australia.

In the "hot spots" in Melbourne, people are being asked to wear a mask in situations where they can not social distance.

You can have Covid 19 and have no symptoms. People in crowded areas of hotspots not wearing masks could spread the virus among themselves and overload our health system.

I think the governments "advice" is wise.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

I think it is that simple in most of Australia.

In the "hot spots" in Melbourne, people are being asked to wear a mask in situations where they can not social distance.

You can have Covid 19 and have no symptoms. People in crowded areas of hotspots not wearing masks could spread the virus among themselves and overload our health system.

I think the governments "advice" is wise.

I don’t have issue with the governments advice when it comes to Melbourne and hot spots.

I went shopping yesterday (country Victoria) and I’d say 1/50 people had a mask on, those I saw with a mask on were from the categories of high levels of risk to the virus being elderly and/or obese, seems like a logical decision, but unless infection rates in my area change, I see no reason to wear a mask personally.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

I don’t have issue with the governments advice when it comes to Melbourne and hot spots.

I went shopping yesterday (country Victoria) and I’d say 1/50 people had a mask on, those I saw with a mask on were from the categories of high levels of risk to the virus being elderly and/or obese, seems like a logical decision, but unless infection rates in my area change, I see no reason to wear a mask personally.

Yes I'm the same, except in Metro Melbourne in a suburb in the great city of Monash that has few infections..

I also wear PPE every working day and have done for decades. It has saved my; ears, eyes, lungs, fingers and toes that many times I feel I could withstand some people thinking I was politically inferior.

[Sprintey]

PPE is good. Wish I used the ear stuff at an earlier age with all the spinning and machine tools. That and being right up the front at Sonic Youth.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Bit harsh, don't you think?

Nope. Not at all. These idiots think that people who wear a mask are inferior or submissive to some conspiracy theory. They're quite happy to not wear a mask, not social distance or not follow any other health advise, and by doing so, put the lives of many others in danger. So why should I give a f**k about their lives??

Originally Posted by FPV8U

I don’t have issue with the governments advice when it comes to Melbourne and hot spots.

I went shopping yesterday (country Victoria) and I’d say 1/50 people had a mask on, those I saw with a mask on were from the categories of high levels of risk to the virus being elderly and/or obese, seems like a logical decision, but unless infection rates in my area change, I see no reason to wear a mask personally.

I'm with you there. I don't think people of country VIC need to wear a mask when in public. You only have to look at the infection numbers by councils to see where the problem areas are.

The current advice (as far as I'm aware) is for people of metro Melbourne who are in a crowd and cannot social distance to wear a mask to reduce the chances of spreading COVIC-20. Pretty simple I would have thought. But not for some.

[Tickford.]

The virus is becoming unpredictable apparently. People are developing symptoms and testing positive within a day of contact with a source, when it is supposed to be 4-5 days minimum. DHHS recommends getting tested 11 days after coming into close contact with a known positive case, to get a valid result. Getting tested 8 days or less after coming into contact may give a false negative result. Only to be positive 4-5 days later.

People are still testing positive 2-3 weeks after initially testing positive. So the virus is either dormant and re-immerging weeks later, or people who have tested positive are being complacent after initial infection, and are getting re-infected.

You have to start to wonder.. if Australia's suppression over elimination strategy is actually working?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...ssion/12452660

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

...
People are still testing positive 2-3 weeks after initially testing positive. So the virus is either dormant and re-immerging weeks later, or people who have tested positive are being complacent after initial infection, and are getting re-infected....

Another possibility is the type of testing that is done.


I wish I could find the reference, but a month or more ago I read that some tests (< 3 days to result ?) only detect the presence of covid-19 bugs, not whether they are dead or alive (forgive the backyard science). If the sample is cultured for longer you eliminate these false positives.

[Franco Cozzo]

Hopefully they don't keep us all home in VIC.

You'll end up with me loitering around here much more, you'll all love bored Franco hanging around I'm sure

[Tickford.]

One way for us to get to the other side of this, is hope that people who don't wear a mask because it's "submissive", catch COVID-19 and die.
The sooner the better for the rest of us.


Sorry Russellw.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

One way for us to get to the other side of this, is hope that people who don't wear a mask because it's "submissive", catch COVID-19 and die.
The sooner the better for the rest of us.


Sorry Russellw.

Bit harsh, don't you think? I may not share the same view as others, and I may be dismayed at the approach they take in dealing with CV-19, but there's no way I'd wish them any harm, let alone death because of it.