Tougher "hoon" laws coming...

[svo supporter]

Yes, it's a public forum that other members of the public are saying what I did was a load of hog wash or I shouldn't have done it. Fact is I did do it, my mate survived as a result of it. I was escorted to proper medical help without any reprisals from the law. Members of this public forum can call me all the names under the sun about it all, but If the situation ever arose again, I'd do it again and wouldn't care what happen to me or if my car was confiscated and crushed as a result of it. Plain and simple

[Wally]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

My point here is the road toll in relation to both population and number of vehicles has decreased markedly in the 13 years covered by these stats. You can not however define if that is a result of increased severity of laws, car safety, road condition etc. Making this determination is near on impossible to work out as there have been so many changes that have potential to impact on road safety.

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When I think back on how cars handled in the sixties/seventies and how they handle now, I would think it would be one of the biggest factors, behind the introduction of seatbelts in relative reduction in deaths at least.

[bluebloodxr8]

My 2 cents worth...
If my wife and kids were killed by someone who ran a red light or stop sign or speeding, irrespective of the reason...
the law would be the last of their worries.

[bluebloodxr8]

Exactly Wally,
Improvements in tyres, suspension, vehicle dynamics,ABS and stability control.
Responsible for 80% IMO

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

Yes, it's a public forum that other members of the public are saying what I did was a load of hog wash or I shouldn't have done it. Fact is I did do it, my mate survived as a result of it. I was escorted to proper medical help without any reprisals from the law. Members of this public forum can call me all the names under the sun about it all, but If the situation ever arose again, I'd do it again and wouldn't care what happen to me or if my car was confiscated and crushed as a result of it. Plain and simple

Not one person has called you names, ever.

Originally Posted by bluebloodxr8

Exactly Wally,
Improvements in tyres, suspension, vehicle dynamics,ABS and stability control.
Responsible for 80% IMO

That is my point, its all "IMO" and not fact. That is why I always get a little amused when people say how bad the government is failing as they have done nothing to reduce the road toll. The fact is the road toll has not increased in prportion with the increase in the number of vehicles on the road. We can not prove with facts road laws have not contributed.

In my experience, in my profession, the road laws have contributed to less deaths. The average speed of crashes has lowered and that reduces the trauma on the occupants. But that is also "IMO".

Now before you jump on me and say I want everyone to travel at 10km/h and live to 100, give me a break, that is not what I want. I love my performance car just as much as everyone else here, that is why I buy them, I just have a very great respect for road safety too.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

Yes, it's a public forum that other members of the public are saying what I did was a load of hog wash or I shouldn't have done it. Fact is I did do it, my mate survived as a result of it. I was escorted to proper medical help without any reprisals from the law. Members of this public forum can call me all the names under the sun about it all, but If the situation ever arose again, I'd do it again and wouldn't care what happen to me or if my car was confiscated and crushed as a result of it. Plain and simple

No one has bagged you out, called you names or anything else. They have only pointed out these absolute facts that no one can argue against:
1: Police do have a right in specific circumstances to make a judgment and they are then held accountable.
2: There is NO law to say you can drive unlicensed, unregistered or over the speed limit .... at anytime .... what so ever.

That sums it up

So now just drop it please ..... this has gone so far off topic and really has nothing to do with the topic from the OP.



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[geckoGT]

Back on topic

Personally I think, crush their cars for repeat offenders, or sell them and put the funds back into road safety, driver education whatever. I don't care because it has no effect on me. The only people that have reason to care what the penalty is are the hoons.

By the way, don't put them in prison, we have to pay to keep them then, more tax drain for us and 3 meals a day, tv, roof over their head and no bills for them.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by auslandau

No one has bagged you out, called you names or anything else. .

Some don't grasp the english language to well. I said they CAN, not they DID. My head hurts from the brick wall it's meeting.

Nexttime, I'll be sure to have the video camera and post the link from you tube. Then the misconceptions can be stopped right there and then.

I agree, end of story. Time to move forward

[geckoGT]

I agree, end of story. Time to move forward

Good idea, considering a Mod gave a warning.

[svo supporter]

Personally I don't agree with crushing offenders cars. Ask people that are building older cars (not just Fords) how hard it is to find parts at the moment. Start crushing them and finding parts is going to be near impossible. Sell them for sure, but don't crush them.

[geckoGT]

Personally I agree with you, selling them is a better option. I just would prefer to see the funds go back into driver education or road safety, not politician junkets.

[DMN8RX]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

A post from another thread that is relevant here.


My point here is the road toll in relation to both population and number of vehicles has decreased markedly in the 13 years covered by these stats. You can not however define if that is a result of increased severity of laws, car safety, road condition etc. Making this determination is near on impossible to work out as there have been so many changes that have potential to impact on road safety.

Any person who says otherwise is voicing pure opinion without hard facts to back it up. If you disagree with that statement, back it up with fact, not opinion and I will gladly stand corrected.

exactly..most relevant thing posted..i'm an ex motor vehicle claims assessor and liasoned with the police on crash investigation re serious/death accidents..the road toll HAS decreased dramatically over the years per capita..

speeding teens do cause accidents and do die..but so do old people who have slow reflexes/confused about the road rules/affected by prescription meds..so do everyday good drivers who push themselves too hard and fall asleep behind the wheel/have a lapse in attention/etc etc..then there are those who are affected by drugs, by alcohol, by poor visability, by poor and unsafe road conditions, by poor weather, by unroadworthy vehicles etc etc..drunks fall asleep in the middle of the road and get run over, kids run out from behind buses and get hit, drivers usually doing nothing wrong but they all contribute to the road toll..

experienced drivers get lazy and complacent..roads deteriorate..less police on the road, more revenue raising technology..it all contributes..teens are the easy target..

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by DMN8RX

....... experienced drivers get lazy and complacent..roads deteriorate..less police on the road, more revenue raising technology..it all contributes..teens are the easy target..

Agree with all you wrote ......... it is technology thats allowed the revenue raising which is targeted at every single person, good or bad, drunk or sober, licensed or not, 15 or 103. Its just that teens are targeted because they are labeled and do attract attention to themselves. Its easy to blame them ..... about as easy as it is to blame speed as the main culprit when its a multitude of other reasons why people crash and burn. Its just that these multitudes cannot be photographed and sent to you a few weeks later with a bill attached.

Taking peoples cars and crushing them? Not the answer either .... don't know what is really and unfortunately neither do the powers that be. 'Seem' to look like you are doing something than really getting to the nitty gritty is the order of the day.



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[Hardtopxb]

We have an auction in Townsville today for Hoon 3rd time repeat offenders.
Up for auction are 18 impounded cars. a couple of Fords and Holdens but mostly rice burners.
LOL. I suppose you could say "Abuse the pedal, lose the metal".

[Stattic]

wow, the 'horror weekend'... im pretty sure nearly all or all of those deaths were NOT caused by speeding or hooning but by p platers just generally being cruddy drivers, for example when the 2 holdens crashed its because one car didnt look when pulling onto a road
driving tests need to encompass more abilities. we are taught how to pass the driving test but not how to drive (im lucky my parents wanted to spend the time giving me a range of experience), no matter how impracticle it is, the driving tests needs to be longer and cover much much more. think of the accidents that would prevent, not just the ones we hear about with death involved but p platers that cant drive cause accidents all the time everywhere

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Stattic

wow, the 'horror weekend'... im pretty sure nearly all or all of those deaths were NOT caused by speeding or hooning but by p platers just generally being cruddy drivers, for example when the 2 holdens crashed its because one car didnt look when pulling onto a road
driving tests need to encompass more abilities. we are taught how to pass the driving test but not how to drive (im lucky my parents wanted to spend the time giving me a range of experience), no matter how impracticle it is, the driving tests needs to be longer and cover much much more. think of the accidents that would prevent, not just the ones we hear about with death involved but p platers that cant drive cause accidents all the time everywhere

That crash was caused by excessive speed: excessive speed for the conditions, too fast to stop or avoid the collision..

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

That crash was caused by excessive speed: excessive speed for the conditions, too fast to stop or avoid the collision..

How can you say too fast to stop or avoid a collision if someone pulls out in front of you? If you're 10 feet away from a corner, doing your 50K and some dildo drives straight out of a side road, you've got no hope.

From you're wording, you've got to putt around at 10 K an hour, be on the picks near every corner and hope to hell no one is round you.

I've been driving an 8 tonne truck at 80 KPH (90 KPH speed limit) in the country and had an idiot drive straight out of a side road into my left front wheel. Perfect fine day, no sun as a factor, no wet roads. So, judging from your comments, I'm driving too fast to aviod the collision.

I think you'd better re-phrase things

[FPVF6X189]

how bout for speeding fines if your doing say ten k's over or more they lock you up for a hour for every kilometre you are over the said limit watch how many people drive at the correct speed then

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

How can you say too fast to stop or avoid a collision if someone pulls out in front of you? If you're 10 feet away from a corner, doing your 50K and some dildo drives straight out of a side road, you've got no hope.

From you're wording, you've got to putt around at 10 K an hour, be on the picks near every corner and hope to hell no one is round you.

I've been driving an 8 tonne truck at 80 KPH (90 KPH speed limit) in the country and had an idiot drive straight out of a side road into my left front wheel. Perfect fine day, no sun as a factor, no wet roads. So, judging from your comments, I'm driving too fast to aviod the collision.

I think you'd better re-phrase things

Did you see the damage? hear the report? i spoke to someone who attended, lets just say the alleged speed, calculated from the impact damage and distance travelled is well over the posted limit, on a foggy night where visibility is poor even at posted limits. Dont make stupid comments without considering the facts...

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by EGODRIVEN

how bout for speeding fines if your doing say ten k's over or more they lock you up for a hour for every kilometre you are over the said limit watch how many people drive at the correct speed then

That's actually a pretty good idea. But I'd prefer changing "hour" to "day", THEN we'll see a noticable improvement! Laws just need to get tougher. We also need speed cameras in all school zones so people start taking the 40k limit seriously. I hate morons that tailgate in school zones.

[Pistol]

Do you guys remember how and why the hoon laws came in, yes it was those in their rice burners and of corse other inmature wanna be races caught at a Noble park intersection and when the cops came they smashed up the vidio shop and raided it so where are they now gone missing hiding who know's this sort of behavior gave drag racing a bad name the cops and the media call it drag racing well let me tell you drag racing stop's after 400 meter's . In the late 70's we used to gather in Dandenong known as the Dandy drags at least we would all park and gather round and admire other cars if we were to race we would race on princess hwy from 1st gear through to 3rd gear and that was it or set up in a indusrial area have a couple of runs and go back to the town centre and park again , but today these guy's don't know when to stop they are into speed flat out to much vidio games i say

[nb_351]

Originally Posted by GT-E

After watching last night "the force" I have now decided that our politicians have 0% interest in saving lives, only getting money.
Watching this lowlife getting pulled over for DUI, blowing .187, having a suspended license and using the excuse that "everyone does it" as he is driven away in the police car.
Later int he story, we find out he killed a 10yo girl on her pushbike while he was drunk and was aquitted of the death, as he was see drivign safely before the murder of an innocent child. Since he was aquitted in 2006, he has been caught 5 times unlicensed and drunk. He got a $1500 fine and 2 more years of license suspension, yet he was caught 2 MORE TIMES between the filming of the story and last night !!!
The guy is 24 years old and will never learn.
Yet they do not conferscate his car ?????????
I mean WTF.....
Why is the lowlife not in jail, I do not know, but the fact he still has the car is beyond any explanation. If my child was killed, I would be seeking some vigalante justice on this cretin, as the police/courts/government have no interest in stopping the repeat offenders, or punishing people who are doing the real crimes.

or i would confiscate his car myself, but then id go to jail first...
its a joke...

[vztrt]

Well the government has acted.....in their usual way.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/34933/50...-camera-blitz/

$50m Victoria Speed Camera Blitz

Victoria is set to receive its largest expansion of the speed camera network since 1986 with the addition of 31 new fixed speed cameras across the state. 22 existing sites will also upgraded from red light to combined red light / speed cameras.

As if that’s not enough an additional 3000 hours per month – or a 50 per cent increase – of mobile camera operation has also been given the go ahead in a move that will see Victorian coffers benefit of revenue exceeding $48 million.

Police say the blitz is aimed squarely at safety and hope it will drive the state’s road toll below 300 fatalities per annum.

“It’s going to be really, really aggressive,” Deputy Commissioner Ken Lay said. “I’m sure some parts of the community will probably have a bit of a whinge, but we’re really confident this will take us to the next level.”

There will also be increased targeting of major events including the Formula One Grand Prix and Motorcycle Grand Prix.

Roads and Ports Minister Tim Pallas said the Brumby Government move would save lives and make roads safer.

[EFPWR]

I say sell the 3rd time car taken hoon drivers cars and sell them as opposed to crushing and use the money raised to force new drivers to take driving courses. It'd lower the road toll amongst younger drivers for sure.