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A Mate of Mine used to Drive his Dads late Model Valiant (last series) with a 265 Hemi six & again the Clevo would leave him & all other local sixes for dead. Though I do remember sitting on 200 k's in his Dad's Valiant while listening to a whoosh sound sort of like a vacume cleaner coming from exhaust. The 308 Heavily worked HQ Monaro I had before the GXL would also kill the Charger boys. (even if they had Mods like triple Carbs & high lift Cam) Yes the special Race Models were very quick but then you would need to compare them with a GTHO phase 3 to be fair & not your standard family hack. As for these days I agree the Ford Turbo 6 would be the best by a small margin over the current holden V8. |
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My HQ would rev to 7000 rpm & it used to often with me driving it :P |
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How do we actually know what the GTHO III was capable of as the speedo only went to 140mph, and many a people have witnessed them reading of the dial,
I've allways heard them as being 140mph +..... |
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Its amazing watching footage of 71 and 72 and how much faster the HO's were down conrod compared to the chargers and toranas, about 20-30mph faster, they'd drive past them like they were standing still..
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I miss my wheelbarrow
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Our later 4lt I6 engine gets my vote, both for performance and everyday use.
Everyday: Any 4 Lt built from mid-98 onwards. - As blackers pointed out, all those taxis cant be wrong. Performance: F6 spec turbo mill (meaning all F6 engines and all other Turbo engines from Jun06 onwards). - Where else can you get an engine that can handle 380rwkw out of the box, that returns awesome fuel economy even when modded, drives like a stocker and has a huge spread of torque from 2500 rpm to 6000rpm. Daniel |
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Weezland
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Sydney,workshop mod
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Im sceptical about those claimed speeds, getting my XA approaching 250km/h the bonnet feels like it will rip right out of its hinges, and an XY is a less aerodynamic shape.
easy enough to work out though if someone posts diff ratio's and tyre sizes that they raced on while doing those claimed speeds. If I was to pick the best engine it would have to be the aussie Ford 6, its been around for so long and over so many evolutions/updates, the engine that just keeps going.. |
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You dig, we stick!
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...economical when driven sedately I would say most are quite good these days, but if you're too pedantic about fuel consumption catch the train, or get a push bike. ...but very powerful when modded on a budget. ....I6T. ...and reliable when belted, without alot of cost to maintenance. Does it have to last the distance in a production race, or a quarter mile? If it's for the quarter then the answer is the I6T. A worked NA V8 may do a little better around a track, judging by some previous posts re production cars. The Boss didn't do too bad last year in the Brute series. I'll add one more prerequisite of my own. Sound; which comes down to personal preference in every case, but it's something that would sway me in the end. Which leaves me to say the Boss would be my pick. Even with it's ridiculous bore spacing it manages to pump a decent amount of specific power, as well as being able to muster it (in stock form) with the LS3. Also being able to match the VE in the ute series doesn't reflect alot of the "it can't handle with a Boss" sentiments dished out at it. |
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The best street engine would be the 6 after all even the latest has similarities back to the 250 4.1.. The economy would be the bug bear with the 351C.. When considering road best engine...
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Which engine coped with pollution gear the best?
Hemi's got strangled Clevo's died in the A$$ Holden six curled up in the fetal position and cried Holden v8 forgot how to breathe above 3000rpm Ford I6 coped just fine. A decent amount of dough was spent on them by ford aus I assume. By 1983 an efi 6 xe was quicker than the last of the 351's. Obviously this is not a fair argument as ford spent more on the six than they spent on the clevo. How could would a clevo have gone with honda developed alloy heads/manifolds with EECIV fuel injection set up? |
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Long live the GT !
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Plus, let's not forget the BOSS is essentially a truck engine with quad cams! And then we have the wild howl coming on song from 3500rpm onwards which has become a BOSS trademark. I think the guys at FPV should get some kind of award for their effort.
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And 3.5k for a proper Weber set-up would be cheap as chips these days, 10 years ago maybe, an original proper Weber set-up these days if not completely cactus would easy command 5k +.
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BossXR8 - Even standard hemi sixes (245/265) easily bested the best ford six (250) of the time. The 250 2V was an improvment (170bhp gross) but the hemi 2 barrel was another 48 hp ahead again. Pacer 4 barrels extended the lead, e 38/e49 sealed the deal.
Ford didn't really mess with the idea of a real performance six until xr6. Holden produced some great examples of hot sixes but they they were just that ... hot sixes. Standard family sedan spec (non performance) six cylinders the hemi was still ahead of the ford six in the seventies. Ford sixes were better than holden sixes in family sedan spec. |
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flowed two 45mm side draught webers on a redline adaptor= 740 cubic feet per minute, so three would flow over 1000 cfm As for the Holley having the same throttle response as the webers, I dont know, I have never ran the webers, but as a guess I would think they could be better, because of the straight shot at the port As for price, the two webers, manifold and linkage kit, cost $2000(webers were $800 each) So I reckon $3500 should cover triples on a hemi. $5000 would be for quad down draughts on a V8 |
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Trev
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Most tuners have always found that plain flow velocities aside nothing gives a hemi low down pull and torque like a set of Webers. Probably something to do with having individual runners and choke for each pot I imagine. I know the first time you jump in a Weber fed version down low and through to the mid-range the pull is awesome. I remember when Brocky participated in that group test with the HO, E49, A9X and all the latest muscle at the time like VN SS Group A, VL Walkinshaw I think from memory, EB GT etc. his quote on the E49 went something along the lines of 'torque wise it is like turning on a tap, you would think 5.8 litres would have it all over the comparatively small six off the bottom but the opposite is true'. It was the first time Brock had driven a Charger, his quotes above wouldn't be exact but are along the same lines.
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True, which is why DCOE's are the first thing you think of on engines like the L20b for rally use. |
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the triples don't suffer from cylinder starvation. the air flow is nearly straight. correctly tuned the triples will be better but not necessarily easy to keep tuned
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Aint nothing like a 265 Hemi with a TO4 Garrett on it.
Pic is my 1977 CL Charger SE with a Wayne Mankhen built turbo set up. CD Strombergs, water/metho injection, the days before intercooling, pumped out an easy 450 HP ! ![]()
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Luv your work Cam :sm_headba
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