Fords on Fire

[yakcam]

Never mind...

[Pis-ton broke]

some of johns stuff is pretty incredible for me to hear, but he,s not aloud to make frivolous claims, i think its illegal and he could be done for slander, correct me if i,m wrong.

so i find some videos very interesting. check the story on non omg aluminium rims. theres a lot of research in his videos. well , credit where credit is due, at least hes informing people about car issues. if you don,t like his style, don,t watch.

[b0son]

Madbogan strikes again...

[Falcon SXR8]

Good old john cabogan

[bungarra]

The Territory looks a like a rehash of the one that happened when a vehicle reviewer put a piece of equipment on without Ford approval for a test drive and shorted out the wiring causing the fire.
I could be wrong though.

[prydey]

Pretty sure that was an Everest wasn't it?

[GTP534]

He's a disgrace to the engineering profession. If he's objective and impartial I'd like to see him address Hyundai in the same manner.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/548394/h...ecall-hearing/

The numbers involved are much larger than Ford here in Australia.

Here's another one:

https://www.motoring.com.au/recall-w...onnets-108373/

The point is, a fuel hose falling off is not just found on Fords alone, it can happen to other manufacturers. Ford likewise, had a recall to address it.

I've got no time for him.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by GTP534

He's a disgrace to the engineering profession. If he's objective and impartial I'd like to see him address Hyundai in the same manner.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/548394/h...ecall-hearing/

Searching for the Auto expert video sprouting

"Those Ar$$Eholes at Hyundai and Kia are putting your safety at risk......"

[Mechan1k]

Mr Cardigan is your basic oxygen thief.

No credibility at all.

[GTP534]

^^^ ....... now just imagine if that SANTA FE with your wife and kids in it was driving down the motorway and the fuel hose burst/fell off/whatever, and the s...box caught on fire and smoke fills the cabin and the car grinds to a halt in the middle of the motorway with traffic flying by on both sides .......

Anybody can paint a gory picture, Cabogan is very subjective and he is full of whatif's, imagine this, this could have been .... pure subjective conjecture and hyberbole.

Notice he didn't follow through with what the actual cause of the fire was in the Territory, one (an earlier model) caught on fire here in Sydney but it was related to an LPG bottle.

[au350hp]

This is a story from the 'Unique Cars' trade mag. Thought you all might enjoy a unbiased real horror story.
Bloke driving a Land Rover 3 V8 through the night in the country. Hit a kangaroo which the bull bar took the brunt of the hit and the roo was flung out the way. Here's where it gets interesting. Sensing a collision, both front airbags were deployed, turning the interior lights on, filling the cabin with smoke & fine dust and therefore blinding the driver from seeing, then the crash system shut down the motor, compromising the power steering & brakes. All of this whilst doing 90km/h on a bend. Luckily, the driver had a lot of rally experience and kept his cool, holding the cars line untill it stopped.
I wonder how mr cardigan or whatever his name is would have fared in his faithful huynudai?

[Sprintey]

OK then, Cadogan playing the fool/others playing the man attacking him aside...

There's an SZ Terry on fire in a pic on his vid... Let's assume it's petrol (unless diesel can ignite in underbonnet spills too) - what is the likely cause? Injector leak, petrol line leak?

Honest question for it is something I could look at on mine.

[Peterwl]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

OK then, Cadogan playing the fool/others playing the man attacking him aside...

There's an SZ Terry on fire in a pic on his vid... Let's assume it's petrol (unless diesel can ignite in underbonnet spills too) - what is the likely cause? Injector leak, petrol line leak?

Honest question for it is something I could look at on mine.

Your question is one of the few sane posts here.

I watched the report in “post 1” again and it is even more frightening, particularly the South African Ford fires. I tried to get a better look at the burning Territory, only still shots and with no time frame as to whether it is 10 seconds into the fire or 2 minutes into it.

Electrical Possibilities ( Standard vehicle, NO electrical mods )

If the electrical insulation in a high current carrying looms breaks down a little, or degrades / decomposes and draws a current by chance just under the fuse rating, this will cause heat.
Say you have a 20 amp fuse and the insulation breakdown causes 17 amps to flow to earth or through some other low resistance device.

The Fuse will not blow !

It will cause 238 watts of heat. Over a long piece of cable this can dissipate a bit better, but over a shorter run, that heat will attack the insulation. This then could cause a snowball effect in the harness with other cables and fuses.

Even if the insulation smoldered or caught fire, it would surely have to ignite some flammable material in the dash that should not be there.

If a fuel line in the engine bay broke, had ignition on a hot exhaust etc, that in my mind would be a quick violent fire that would probably take a little while to get to the dash.

Ford are saying electrical faults.

I have seen a car many years ago suddenly stop on the highway and emit billowing white smoke, but not flames. Obviously the electrical system let go in a big way. ( PS it was 1970’s Kingswood )

Cable insulation on household power cables in recent decades has become physically very thin. Yes it passes the Australian Standards insulation tests, but its longevity is a question in my mind.

Perhaps newer automotive cable insulation is physically thinner and degrades / decomposes quicker for green reasons and a bad batch lets go a lot quicker on some cars.

[Sprintey]

Thanks Peter, good informative post. It gives a startpoint to go checking the condition of things. Not a common fault at all in this type of car, our forums would be all over it if it was.

[GTP534]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

OK then, Cadogan playing the fool/others playing the man attacking him aside...

There's an SZ Terry on fire in a pic on his vid... Let's assume it's petrol (unless diesel can ignite in underbonnet spills too) - what is the likely cause? Injector leak, petrol line leak?

Honest question for it is something I could look at on mine.

He said petrol from memory.

Another cause could be shoddy workmanship during servicing either by Ford or another mechanic.

[solarite_guy]

What I have discovered over time is, NOBODY can understand EVERYTHING. NOBODY.

My uncle was a world sports car driver. My grandfather supported Roger Penske and Mark Donahue. I have a little bit of background and have developed algorithms since I was young.

Yet, people can have certain areas of expertise. But that is about it. I can spec out a camshaft or design an induction and exhaust system better than most. Does that mean I know everything about those areas? We all have more to learn. Learning is what makes it fun. It is always good to learn.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by solarite_guy

What I have discovered over time is, NOBODY can understand EVERYTHING. NOBODY.

My uncle was a world sports car driver. My grandfather supported Roger Penske and Mark Donahue. I have a little bit of background and have developed algorithms since I was young.

Yet, people can have certain areas of expertise. But that is about it. I can spec out a camshaft or design an induction and exhaust system better than most. Does that mean I know everything about those areas? We all have more to learn. Learning is what makes it fun. It is always good to learn.

OT big trading firms use super fast algorithms and try to concentrate nearest the exchange, in order to front run other market orders. It's got to the stage where they are firing data through lasers to get there faster, and execute against slower algos (and Joe Public). NANEX documented one incident where the trades actually went through before the quotes to execute them hit the market, so technically, they warped time into the future. Algorithms are cool.

RE Tin foil hats, they would tend to concentrate the mind rays into the brain if they are open. Real conspiracy nuts know a tin foil fully body condom is the only way. Breathing might be hard though.

[solarite_guy]

That is so funny. I love that.

I started off with a programmable Ti SR71 back in the early 70s, then migrated to a Commadore 128, Then to Intel.

These days I have a database of 4,000 master camshaft lobes. Any of which can be tweaked for almost nothing in this day of CNC grinders. I get a lot of pleasure in setting up a good camshaft. Exhaust and induction, you just have to know everything about the combination and design.

[Peterwl]

Another Ford Kuga car fire at Bega 4 days ago on the highway.

I know how we all want to see John Cadogans comments on this, but I decided to cross check his story.

He is right again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2Gshh0v4MQ


Bega District News covered this fire event.

http://www.begadistrictnews.com.au/s...-bega-highway/

The male driver, his wife and two daughters exited the vehicle at the Finucane Ln turn off just south of Bega before the engine burst into flames.

[Stefan]

Hyundais are much worse...even their spare parts burst into flames.

You buy a few spares and next thing your whole house burns to the ground

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-0...damage/6661798

[MattstaF6]

This guy is an idiot. He thinks he is an expert but knows nothing

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by MattstaF6

This guy is an idiot. He thinks he is an expert but knows nothing

The guys that have a clue aren't ranting on YouTube.

[fordomatic]

I love you PB

[olfella]

Whats going on here? Fords on fire nekminit man hugs?

[fordomatic]

Peterwl is scared of love, needs the fire back in his heart instead of the Fords.

[Peterwl]

Originally Posted by fordomatic

Peterwl is scared of love, needs the fire back in his heart instead of the Fords.

About your not too well considered post, the only fire in my body is in my mind about this latest fire in a Ford Kuga at Bega.

I would have let all this pass if you had not mentioned the word “Fire”.

I have even included a picture.

It is good that you let us all know about you and the Potty Beige mans sexual orientation, that is your business, just like you and the Potty Beige man’s absolute right to vote “yes” in the up coming postal vote.

[Sar4890]

Thats pretty intense the, fire that is.