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https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...-chassis-78807
"One engineer who spoke to CarsGuide has warned that part of the problem might be a design element in the layout of dual-cab utes. Until now, these structural failures have been blamed on a combination of poorly engineered aftermarket modifications and a rash of overloading, or incorrect loading, of this type of vehicle. But now it seems part of the issue might be the actual packaging and layout of the vehicles themselves. While early examples of this problem seemed to centre around Nissan Navaras and Mitsubishi Tritons, it has since expanded to cover pretty much every brand of dual-cab ute, even the most popular ones, including the Ford Ranger and Toyota Hilux. And now, as the toll reaches a frightening number, the industry has worked out what’s going on." So - storm in a teacup? Chronic overloading? On the internet you can find enough pics of any type of car breakage you want? Or are these things breaking in meaningful numbers?
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Next time you get an opportunity, get under a Ranger. Then get under an F250 and spot the difference. |
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21st century v 20th century?
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i reckon It's a Great Move by LDV to sell a Longer Wheelbase Dual cab with a longer Tub, & all for only $1500 Extra..!!!
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Click bait article but a good lesson for those many new owners today as Officemanager posts.
Too many are overloaded typically. Shackles break, hey they also broke on the older gen Patrols/LC's/Hiluxs etcetc back in the day of leafs front and rear. Franco, bugger having a F250, you can't park anywhere easy in the GPO or taking on Westfields car parks etc nightmare. Also they are not inpregnable to suspension failures, shocks mounts for one. Vehicles get bunged up thats motor cars, especially those used offroad more so overloaded, my old Boss used to say to customers whingng of suspension failures off road, should have bought a Tank or a Unimog or a OKA ![]()
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The point is your out and about on the job or whatever in your overpriced POS older Ram or FSeries huge pick up, as if your going to go home jump into your 2nd car back to the small tight carparks so moot point sorry Ben.
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There's obviously demand for these vehicles and the people buying don't seem to have this car park disaster that precludes them from the shopping center. City car parks are so small that a dual cab Ranger doesn't even fit in them properly yet those still fly off the dealership floor. Personally I don't see the problem, A Mitsubishi outlander barely fits in my colleagues car stacker at his apartment building yet everyone still has SUVs I think people are just salty that there's an increasing market for $100,000+ American Utes with big engines and people who can afford them are buying regardless of car park sizes. |
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Air bags are a killer for many, overloading is another - tradies are the worst offenders. Some twin cab utes are worst than others
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Whats the "frightening number" they are talking about ?? Sounds like a typical media beat up with no facts to me.
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Spot on that pic for one type of mods.
Not surprising Tritons were first up with issues. Their sales figures are due to 1 thing only - Price for starters but away from that in general these issues are occuring on any branded 4x4 dual cab due to owners incompetance and OE's and/or sellers of Aftermarket products need to educate far more imo. Dual Cabs are more popular for the many owner business's who once had a Ford or Hoden Utes, uprated leaf packs etc - 1tonners could cope with extra weights but there is always a limit but getting to the point of owner business's, he always had the work truck/ute and then they had another family car not just the Mrs's one, a dual cab is covering a few birds with one stone for many, for work and leisure etcetc..... Now trouble today is most of these unaware buyers don't even know they are already changing their weight limit adding on a steel bull bar for eg and winch. That takes away load carrying already from the back by OE spec. Then he get his solid steel tool chests made up/draws etc OH hang on I need a lift kit now etcetcetc......extra spare tyre, water tank and the fridge etc Honey school hols were going up or down the coast, do the list for the caravan/or off road trailer. Does this unawaring owner ever consider weighing his rig at full load prior to travelling ? what maybe 2 out of 10 of them I guess. Funnily Franco mentioned the yank one, current Ram 2500 payload is 750kilos - for such a big rig but its advantage is it can TOW up to 4.5ton. Knowing payloads/GVM is the key as many here would know BUT majority don't !. I don't think its a design flaw as such, sure all these Dual Cabs could be made better but consumers only want to pay so much right ! They have become soft roaders, hence why sales are so good as well smart move OE's. The front end suspension gone to coil over shock is soft as, but its a smoother ride Mrs's can cope with this.
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i reckon it should be Single cab - 2100 Space Cab - 1800 Dual cab - 1500 Minus another 300 of those if going on a triton im starting to see more companies going to vans for their techs especially after the laws making you cover ute loads. im also seeing more 4.5t trucks for small companies. my mate just bought one for his company, brand new truck and tray with tool boxes for 70k. he said a ranger with all the gear was 65k. he also meationed that is 200mm longer than a ranger but has a 3m tray, can carry more and doesn't use much more fuel. he said the only downside was he is now driving a truck around sydney |
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Isn’t there a rule for weights over hanging axles, something along the lines of 2/3 but no more.
Found it here. https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/veh...ojecting-loads No more than 60% of the width.
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Handy as it is, tipping trays will add extra weight to your tare and take away from the payload capabilities. Looking at some of those dual cab ute chassis, you can see the cheap pressed steel insets and joiners used where as the full C or boxed chassis the proper trucks use are straight and join free along the rear load area. About to convert a second small truck to a full tray shortly, well worth the money due to it being a fully boxed chassis. Save your dual cab for the fun offroad vehicle stuff.
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All overloaded and/or launched off the ground when offroading.
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A lot of the problem is the dealers a few years ago my late neighbour bougt a new ranger and the dealer fitted the tray and canopy the tray had so much rear overhang that a special towbar had to be made so he could tow his caravan being a farmer he didn't care when i pointed out the problem
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It’s interesting because many I see appear to have little in the back, at all. They’re either being driven for the pose value or as a deductible.
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Some of them the tray is so high up how can you see in the back ?
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The jap trucks are stinking rough to drive though compared to a ute
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