Auction Immaculate HO3

ozrunner · 26-05-2018, 10:24 PM

So far $415,000.

Once owned by cricketer Jeff Thompson.

https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotD...=5&lid=1434477

Crazy Dazz · 27-05-2018, 12:30 AM

Interesting that it's a K code engine. I wonder how many were ordered with the hand-built option?

Crazy Dazz · 27-05-2018, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Interesting that it's a K code engine. I wonder how many were ordered with the hand-built option?

So I gather the K just means it was a 351? Presumably the Blocks were stamped before being built??

So was the "H" all HO Engines?
Was there anything to distinguish those that has been through the extra QC/"blueprint" process??

pottery beige · 27-05-2018, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

So I gather the K just means it was a 351? Presumably the Blocks were stamped before being built??

So was the "H" all HO Engines?
Was there anything to distinguish those that has been through the extra QC/"blueprint" process??

Where are you getting K from, are you cooked kent??

HO 3 · 27-05-2018, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

So I gather the K just means it was a 351? Presumably the Blocks were stamped before being built??

So was the "H" all HO Engines?
Was there anything to distinguish those that has been through the extra QC/"blueprint" process??

In XYs H on the compliance plate designates the factory mechanical cam HO spec motor along with the necessary support ancillaries. The revised clearance QC motors were supplied to dealers seperate from the cars to help with reliability so they could finish the 1971 Bathurst race.

Cheers Mick

slowsnake · 18-06-2018, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

So I gather the K just means it was a 351? Presumably the Blocks were stamped before being built??

So was the "H" all HO Engines?
Was there anything to distinguish those that has been through the extra QC/"blueprint" process??

Hello,you are correct about the H code,351-4V heads HO.

The K code is 351-2V heads.

The T code is 351-4V heads.

And all HO's had a transmission code "L" for 4 speed manual gearbox.

And some had missprinted codes on the tag and letters and numbers actually missing?

And all XYGT's had a body prefix and serial number that corresponded to the ID plate stamped on the radiator support panel on the passenger side!

Cheers Billy.

zoesgift · 18-06-2018, 10:43 AM

hmmmm someone may have burnt some money....I might start preparing some humble pie.

slowsnake · 18-06-2018, 10:49 AM

Hello,
Just a little bit more about the designation " HO "
Most think its either " Handling Option "...Bigger springs and swaybar,or more suitably " High Output "..but in reality it meant neither!
So what did it really mean?...well it meant " Homologation Option ", and that is exactly what it meant,apparently you could not insure the car for street use as it was classified as a race/track car!

Cheers Billy.

Bossxr8 · 18-06-2018, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

Hello,
Just a little bit more about the designation " HO "
Most think its either " Handling Option "...Bigger springs and swaybar,or more suitably " High Output "..but in reality it meant neither!
So what did it really mean?...well it meant " Homologation Option ", and that is exactly what it meant,apparently you could not insure the car for street use as it was classified as a race/track car!

Cheers Billy.

If you are going to pass things off as fact at least get the facts right.

It was handling option.

arronm · 19-06-2018, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

Hello,
Just a little bit more about the designation " HO "
Most think its either " Handling Option "...Bigger springs and swaybar,or more suitably " High Output "..but in reality it meant neither!
So what did it really mean?...well it meant " Homologation Option ", and that is exactly what it meant,apparently you could not insure the car for street use as it was classified as a race/track car!

Cheers Billy.

I know very little about these cars but doubt Ford would bring out a "homo option"

I always thought it was "high output".

pottery beige · 18-06-2018, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

Hello,you are correct about the H code,351-4V heads HO.

The K code is 351-2V heads.

The T code is 351-4V heads.

And all HO's had a transmission code "L" for 4 speed manual gearbox.

And some had missprinted codes on the tag and letters and numbers actually missing?

And all XYGT's had a body prefix and serial number that corresponded to the ID plate stamped on the radiator support panel on the passenger side!

Cheers Billy.

'V' is venturi (4 barrel or 2 barrel carb)

nothing to do with the heads

Dr Terry · 18-06-2018, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

'V' is venturi (4 barrel or 2 barrel carb)

nothing to do with the heads

Not strictly true. In the 'original' Cleveland 351 V8s, the 4V carburettored engines had much larger head ports than the 2V carburettored versions.

Dr Terry

slowsnake · 18-06-2018, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

'V' is venturi (4 barrel or 2 barrel carb)

nothing to do with the heads

Hello,
I totally agree?..now what was the question to your answer?
V has always stood for venturi?

Cheers Billy.

falconhell74 · 27-05-2018, 08:25 AM

drool..........

damn if only , o well i'll keep dreaming.

blackf6 · 27-05-2018, 08:41 AM

Meh. Not paying that much.

HO 3 · 27-05-2018, 10:29 AM

And I bet they are all real bids too.

Cheers Mick

**BLU-220** · 27-05-2018, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by blackf6

Meh. Not paying that much.

Even with rips in the front seat

1970galaxie · 27-05-2018, 01:28 PM

It's not a K code. It's a H code.

Bushbasher · 28-05-2018, 01:17 PM

I read somewhere that you could order a HO from the factory with a QC motor as an option. An extra $380-ish comes to mind , but I'm happy to be corrected.

Bossxr8 · 28-05-2018, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushbasher

I read somewhere that you could order a HO from the factory with a QC motor as an option. An extra $380-ish comes to mind , but I'm happy to be corrected.

From what I can recall it was $250.

Can't remember if there was a QC painted onto the engine somewhere, or a tag to identify them though.

HO 3 · 28-05-2018, 04:34 PM

Yeah I think it appeared in literature that the Q.C. motor could be ordered as a $250 option. More than likely this is a lost in translation scenario and the $250 was in reality the nominal amount dealers payed to be supplied with a Q.C. engine for the Bathurst race.
I think the Q.C. memos and accompanying paperwork from April and May 1971 was published in one of the muscle car mags a few years back? For the benefit of those that have not seen it in a nut shell Fords Special Vehicle Manager Al Turner made a request for 20-25 Q.C. engines to be built at the Geelong Engine Plant. Q.C. engine specification were to be coordinated by Special Vehicles and referred to as Q.C.-U.S. Audit Engines. This direct quote probably better explains the purpose of these engines.

"Recently the Managing Director (Al Turner) requested that a special build of GTHO engines be conducted to enable dealers to be more competitive than in the past at the Bathurst 500 race. The basic aim of this programme is not only to ensure that they are competitive but to provide them with an engine that would have greater durability than they are capable of producing themselves."

It is almost a standing joke in the GT community when at times it seems like every second HO3 owner and his dog claims to have a matching number QC motor in their car.

Cheers Mick

zoesgift · 28-05-2018, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HO 3

Yeah I think it appeared in literature that the Q.C. motor could be ordered as a $250 option. More than likely this is a lost in translation scenario and the $250 was in reality the nominal amount dealers payed to be supplied with a Q.C. engine for the Bathurst race.
I think the Q.C. memos and accompanying paperwork from April and May 1971 was published in one of the muscle car mags a few years back? For the benefit of those that have not seen it in a nut shell Fords Special Vehicle Manager Al Turner made a request for 20-25 Q.C. engines to be built at the Geelong Engine Plant. Q.C. engine specification were to be coordinated by Special Vehicles and referred to as Q.C.-U.S. Audit Engines. This direct quote probably better explains the purpose of these engines.

"Recently the Managing Director (Al Turner) requested that a special build of GTHO engines be conducted to enable dealers to be more competitive than in the past at the Bathurst 500 race. The basic aim of this programme is not only to ensure that they are competitive but to provide them with an engine that would have greater durability than they are capable of producing themselves."

It is almost a standing joke in the GT community when at times it seems like every second HO3 owner and his dog claims to have a matching number QC motor in their car.

Cheers Mick

lol Mick! we all know what QC stands for in phase 3 world!

HO 3 · 28-05-2018, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by zoesgift

lol Mick! we all know what QC stands for in phase 3 world!

Come to think of it in this current market I am surprised we haven't seen that old QC chestnut trotted out in an attempt to extract more money from buyers!

Cheers Mick

Crazy Dazz · 28-05-2018, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HO 3

It is almost a standing joke in the GT community when at times it seems like every second HO3 owner and his dog claims to have a matching number QC motor in their car.

I guess such a claim would come down to having the original order documentation to prove it.
Or a letter from Ford, if such records were kept.

HO 3 · 28-05-2018, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

I guess such a claim would come down to having the original order documentation to prove it.
Or a letter from Ford, if such records were kept.

Also as the QC motors were built seperate to the cars matching numbers could actually be a bit awkward. The Baldwin Ford race car still retains its supplied QC motor.

Cheers Mick