MC TDCI timing belt replacement

[timmo86]

Hi all, the wife recently bought a MC Mondeo TDCI LX wagon great car we're pretty happy with it.

I read in the owners manual that timing belt is due by 200,000ks, its just clicking over 177,000 so its getting close to needing to be done in the next year.
I'd usually change a timing belt myself but being a newer car i want to be sure its done right, has anyone got access to a manual, or a link to a "how-to" on doing the timing belt on once of these TDCI engines?
had a bit of a search online and its a tad harder to find info on these Euro fords in comparison to my falcon which is understandable

any help much appreciated

cheers

[rondeo]

Link to online manual:

http://workshop-manuals.com/ford/mon...n/timing_belt/

I'm planning to do mine as well, but no due for a year or so. There are a few sources of info, Haynes, the one I linked to, and a couple of Ford ones.

It would be a good topic for a DIY how to.

It may be an idea to change the water pump while you're at it?

And one on Talkford:

http://www.talkford.com/community/to...g-belt-change/

Transmission fluid change is at 180000km - an absolute must. DIY is on this forum.

[rondeo]

Looks like one difficulty could be getting the crankshaft bolt out.
Next is keeping the timing, then not damaging position sensors.
Clamp the flywheel well and nicely to get the bolt out.
That means a special tool and a long lever, not an impact wrench, as is warned against in the manual.
Then it might be a 'challenge' to get the new belt on.

[timmo86]

Originally Posted by rondeo

Link to online manual:

http://workshop-manuals.com/ford/mon...n/timing_belt/

I'm planning to do mine as well, but no due for a year or so. There are a few sources of info, Haynes, the one I linked to, and a couple of Ford ones.

It would be a good topic for a DIY how to.

It may be an idea to change the water pump while you're at it?

And one on Talkford:

http://www.talkford.com/community/to...g-belt-change/

Transmission fluid change is at 180000km - an absolute must. DIY is on this forum.

Originally Posted by rondeo

Looks like one difficulty could be getting the crankshaft bolt out.
Next is keeping the timing, then not damaging position sensors.
Clamp the flywheel well and nicely to get the bolt out.
That means a special tool and a long lever, not an impact wrench, as is warned against in the manual.
Then it might be a 'challenge' to get the new belt on.

Thanks heaps mate, I plan on doing the water pump also hopefully with them proper locking tools will make the job fairly easy but like you said not damaging the position sensors hope there not too tricky, hope its easier then it sounds, nothing like changing timing belts on old toyotas

yes ill have to get onto doing the transmission also, do they have filters like a traditional auto? seems to go great so far but really need to keep on top of servicing cant afford to have issues with it

[rondeo]

I find from experience so far that if you dive in it's not as scary as it sounds.

Yes the tranny has a filter and it is vital to change it. The fluid change is more important on these boxes, I'd say because the clutches are running in it as well. 60,000km is the schedule, I'd say stick to it. FUCHS make a cheaper fluid (Titan DCTF).

[timmo86]

Originally Posted by rondeo

I find from experience so far that if you dive in it's not as scary as it sounds.

Yes the tranny has a filter and it is vital to change it. The fluid change is more important on these boxes, I'd say because the clutches are running in it as well. 60,000km is the schedule, I'd say stick to it. FUCHS make a cheaper fluid (Titan DCTF).

Yeah i seem to find that with alot of jobs on the my bf, everyone was sayin how hard it is to drop the diff cradle out but me and a mate had it out in a couple hours swapped the diff and had it back in and going again a few hours later.
Always wondering what could go wrong gets you paranoid of failing tho i guess.

Ill have to look for that article on changing the transmission oil on the mondeo and get onto it soon i think. Its runnng pretty well at the moment, I've heard some bad things about the powershift people not liking the way they shift etc but i like it, changes quicker then my zf in the bf

[timmo86]

Originally Posted by rondeo

Link to online manual:

http://workshop-manuals.com/ford/mon...n/timing_belt/

I'm planning to do mine as well, but no due for a year or so. There are a few sources of info, Haynes, the one I linked to, and a couple of Ford ones.

It would be a good topic for a DIY how to.

It may be an idea to change the water pump while you're at it?

And one on Talkford:

http://www.talkford.com/community/to...g-belt-change/

Transmission fluid change is at 180000km - an absolute must. DIY is on this forum.

Hey mate you wouldn't happen to have a link to the thread on the transmission service would you?
Cheers

[rondeo]

DIY Transmission fluid change:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...smission+fluid

As I've mentioned elsewhere it's maybe a good idea to make up a tube with an elbow to avoid the tedious double removal of airbox.
Also there are probably easier ways to jack and get the car level. One way might be to go up and down as required but that's maybe not so certain to get the level right. Dunno.

[timmo86]

Originally Posted by rondeo

DIY Transmission fluid change:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...smission+fluid

As I've mentioned elsewhere it's maybe a good idea to make up a tube with an elbow to avoid the tedious double removal of airbox.
Also there are probably easier ways to jack and get the car level. One way might be to go up and down as required but that's maybe not so certain to get the level right. Dunno.

Thanks heaps mate. Sounds easy enough ill be onto doing that in the coming weeks hopefully all goes smoothly for me ill be sure to let you know how i go.

So I'd imagine i need the forscan app thru a Bluetooth obd2 adapter to check transmission fluid temp? I have a cheapish one but ill buy a better one if its needed.
Or will just running the motor till at operating temp be sufficient enough do you think?
Cheers

[rondeo]

Transmission temp is 45C in Ford manual I think so 35-45 should be fine.
I can't see why you shouldn't just get it so it feels warm to the touch, otherwise Forscan is needed for temp, I've used a cheap unmodified elm327 adapter, as well as OBDLink MX. Generic OBD doesn't usually show trans temp.

Although not necessary consider measuring all fluid going in and out. I tried last time but stuffed up.

[timmo86]

Ahh k sweet cheers mate, ill look into them links when i get home.
Found a video on youtube of a bloke doing the timing belt on a dw10 in another model "Peugeot" or something similar and he takes the starter motor out and inserts a specific size drill bit into a hole specifically for doing the timing belt. Not sure if it would be the same or similar on our engines. Ill have a look for the link for that when im home

[NZ XR6]

The engines are the same.

[timmo86]

Originally Posted by NZ XR6

The engines are the same.

that's what i thought the intake designs looks little bit different but would be the same internally

[timmo86]

was a Citroen Xsara i looked at running a DW10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOs0...q1KWNziFCfBU4W

and hes also done a peugeot 406 with a dw10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k66VwGX4uGk

[ivorya]

How about creating a video of all of these and posting?

You'll have a number of subscribers here..

[timmo86]

a local auto barn couldn't get me fuchs dtcf but they have a penrite oil for $70 per 4l not sure if i want to run the penrite tho
bursons can get the fuchs dctf for $99.50

[rondeo]

In 2013 the filter kit was $102.65 at Ford.

Titan DCTF from Burson's $341.99/20 liters

Bockmans also had FUCHS $90 4 liters

[NZ XR6]

Yeah, I'd go for the Fuchs oil. Nothing against Penrite but the Fuchs is from Germany.

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[timmo86]

Originally Posted by NZ XR6

Yeah, I'd go for the Fuchs oil. Nothing against Penrite but the Fuchs is from Germany.

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Yeah i was thinking exactly that myself

[timmo86]

Yeah a couple of times its been a little weird on a hill but overall my experience with the powershift has been great. Its awesome zipping thru brisbane traffic.
I've got all the fluid and everything i need ready to go so might get to doing it this weekend or early next week.

[timmo86]

Just finished servicing the powershift. Found it fairly easy going by your write up and the volvo video! Shes all done and running really well.
Your write ups pretty much bang on. I did use close to 7l making sure the level was right i put in an extra 500ml or so just to be sure and let it run down to the right level.
The Fuchs part number seemed to be wrong when i was talking to bursons but they still sorted me out with the correct fluid.
Not sure if our airbox is different but it just clipped in via rubber bung type things so was quite easy to remove and reinstall once the intake clamp and sensor was un plugged.
Overall a fairly easy transmission to service id say anyone could do it following your instruction as long as they get the car nice and level.

Cheers for all your help really appreciated it.

Will be onto changing fuel filter and then timing belt in the not to distant future i think the timing belt will be fun lol

[rondeo]

Good to hear it.

After a few goes at the fuel filter I settled on using a hand operated vacuum pump like the mityvac. I plan to do an updated DIY on that.

Cheers

[timmo86]

Awesome mate thanks again much appreciated.

Ill have to see if i can find that diy on the fuel filter

Seems like you've done them all which is awesome the more info out there on the mondeos the better

[V8kado]

Great work!

How did you end up getting the vehicle level? Did you end up just jacking the passenger front wheel off the ground, remove wheel, and lower back to ground level?

And, from your experience how long after a drive did you wait to have the gearbox temp correct.

Good on you, will be interesting how you DYI the timing belt. Good luck!

[timmo86]

Originally Posted by V8kado

Great work!

How did you end up getting the vehicle level? Did you end up just jacking the passenger front wheel off the ground, remove wheel, and lower back to ground level?

And, from your experience how long after a drive did you wait to have the gearbox temp correct.

Good on you, will be interesting how you DYI the timing belt. Good luck!

Yes i just jacked it up and removed wheel and lowwered it to road height..

I just took some height measurements from both sides in a couple of different places then lowwered it to exactly that height and kept an eye on heights incase jack dropped any lowwer.

Haven't had an issue at all done a few hundred ks and shes running and shifting sweet.

After driving the transmission temp was in the high 50° area. I think i left it an hour in the driveway moved it in the shed and it was about right by the time i set up and was ready to drain the fluid.

After changing the oil i just had to idle it for 5-10mins to get it back to temp before going thru the gears.

Cheers. Hoping the timing belt wont be to much if a drama but with the correct tools it shouldn't be to bad.
Thinking of investing in the tools as ill probably end up doing my fathers mondeo after ours

[timmo86]

hi just an update, we've done close to 5000ks since the transmission service and its still running a1 haven't had no issues with the car and loving the mondeo life lol

shes due for an engine oil change soon so ill be onto that

i've decided against doing the timing belt myself although i should be capable, i rang ford and they told me it comes under some capped price service for this car and only will be $715 in total parts/labour cant really argue with that..

ill most likely get them to change the water pump and coolant while its there and do the diesel fuel filter also then should be smooth motoring for awhile till we run into powershift dramas in her high ks, she has 186000 on it now still drives great tho!

recently installed a alpine type s sub woofer and alpine amp to give the base series stereo a bit more oomph sounds great

[bundybear75]

Originally Posted by timmo86

recently installed a alpine type s sub woofer and alpine amp to give the base series stereo a bit more oomph sounds great

Where did you pick up the signal for the amp, did you tap into the speaker wires or is there an output on the head unit? I'd love to get more bass out of mine as well.

[rondeo]

Originally Posted by timmo86

ill most likely get them to change the water pump and coolant while its there

The water pump is not listed as a scheduled service item in the customer service guide booklet, just a coolant change at 10 years.

Given a pump costs around $700 I'm not decided when the time comes to do the timing belt if I'll change the pump or wait until it begins to leak. The timing kit alone is about $300 plus 2.4 (from customer service booklet) hours labour.

[rondeo]

Originally Posted by timmo86

hi just an update, we've done close to 5000ks since the transmission service and its still running a1 haven't had no issues with the car and loving the mondeo life lol

shes due for an engine oil change soon so ill be onto that

i've decided against doing the timing belt myself although i should be capable, i rang ford and they told me it comes under some capped price service for this car and only will be $715 in total parts/labour cant really argue with that..

ill most likely get them to change the water pump and coolant while its there and do the diesel fuel filter also then should be smooth motoring for awhile till we run into powershift dramas in her high ks, she has 186000 on it now still drives great tho!

recently installed a alpine type s sub woofer and alpine amp to give the base series stereo a bit more oomph sounds great

The 195000km service from the capped price list would be $350 oil and filters plus $715 for timing belt = $1065. That would not include a water pump, not sure about the tensioner.

Out of interest I got a quote from a Ford dealer for $1118 for the timing belt (not including tensioner) plus water pump, which the service guy recommended doing. The breakdown was:

timing belt $95

water pump $265

coolant $120

labour $638

So if the capped price for the other service items is $350 then it would be $1468 for the 195000km service with recommended water pump renewal.

DIY there's a 9M5Q8B596AAK kit which I think includes belt, tensioner and water pump costing maybe $1000. And you need the special tools, about $60.

Having spent much of the weekend mucking around with maintenance I thought I'd look into it. Haven't figured out why the water pump cost was different.

See also:

http://www.ebay.de/sch/sis.html?_nkw...p2047675.m4096