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I've moved my reply to Leesa's post to a new thread to help prevent clogging up the Covid 19- thread. In doing so I've shared my thoughts on how a new society would be created and function.
I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on how they would recreate a new society too. Quote:
Not me either, I don't want to give up my electric razor either. Or my CRT tv collection, or Amiga console collection, or my gaming pc. But I don't want to have to pay $xxx,xxx for a place to house them either, they're not worth that much. Quote:
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Swerage can be pumped into multiple underground cement central tanks then out into the ocean, for now until we can harvest it for gas. Water treatment, I recommend each treehouse/bamboo cabin/wood cabin/teepee tent have their own either above ground or underground water collection system for in-house baths and as for sterilizing the water for drinking a centralised in-town water collection roof system where people can convene and have dinner and cook snags is best. The gas from the sewerage system can be collected then pumped a km away from the sewerage/recycling place and burned and used to boil water and keep it at degrees 100c in a huge boiler. The steam produced then can be used to run a turbine for electricity, that electricity can then be used to light the place and power the pumps, the electricity grid can be 240v and each treehouse can have its own extension cord going out to a telegraph pole along the street. 3 Phase. We're not talking a service of thousands of watts per household here, we're talking about a cap of say 1kW, enough to run a microwave oven. Plenty enough to run a gaming pc, vintage consoles, CRT tv's, a plasma tv, a 4K LCD. A convection oven, a steamer, you name it. But not much else. If people need more power they can use the communal 3 car garage workshop. Where it can be guarded by one guy, Lets call him... Simple Joe. These workshops don't need to be made out of modern materials, why? That just raises the costs. As far as cyclones go, they're going to destroy anything no matter what it is. I can see the benefits of building a frame out of galvanized steel and a slab out of cement but the rest, can be rebuilt again and again out of bamboo. Its strong stuff, grows quick, Giant Bamboo makes a nice forest too. Quote:
Either that or they think that the problem is simply too big to be able to do anything about it political wise. I do know that the corporations are acting like they're stuck in cement and that if they change one simple tiny thing they'll collapse and then again other corprations are changing and finding that their costs go down if they go green. I know that most corporations however, their days are numbered, they simply rely on a system which was designed in the 1930s-1940s and well... whale oil isn't a thing anymore. Neither should we be making car tyres out of new virgin rubber. Or harvesting lithium using child labor. But quite a lot will adapt and survive. 3D printers for example are a perfect example of redistributing a large manufacturing task down into something that anyone can do. I know that isn't the right answer but hey to be honest I don't really know for sure what they're thinking. Its certainly something that can be debated. Quote:
You won't convince anyone to change their ways, because the paypacket that they receive is keeping them alive and entertained. The big crunch as I like to call it is when normal middle class people, aka the majority of people in the world realise that their leaders aren't in it for them and turn against each other. For that I recommend getting a yacht or any boat really and going out in the ocean to wait it off. That or into the bush. Quote:
I personally, with your example, believe that a farmer should be able to take 10% but not 20% of a total value of a product. Marxism believes that we should take none, ie have 0% profit. And Consumerism believes we should take 2x-5x the actual market value of a product. The fact is though is that most retail stores today are getting ripped off by the utility companies, the tax man, the local council, the landlord, and everyone else including the thief in the store, so they have to have those high retail prices. I believe with good policing, small tight knit communities, sectioned off tribal communities where one person can't drive into another without a police escort unless its on grounds of visiting a family member. Low manufacturing costs of building materials. a small government. Low wages but also low costs. Basically almost free electrical power. That we can make a society which is as laid back as possible. That's the ultimate goal here, to get people laid back as far as possible that they don't need to work super hard. Thanks for the insightful thoughts. Last edited by gooseneck; 06-08-2020 at 06:41 AM. |
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I'd make sure I had control and influence over the essentials - rubbish removal, power, water, electricity, telecommunications, health care, construction, transportation, food supply chain etc.
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What is it about being in control.. and being able to destroy others.. that satisfies you? |
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Granada's series on the Spanish Civil War is absolutely excellent - you can see the tragedy in the idealism of many factions, the desire to replace the old - all of it overwhelmed by bloody fighting and wholesale slaughter. No one really wins, let alone people/families.
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu5f9hp0IP4 If you guys really want to start a new society, I'd suggest the first thing you determine is what will be your money (I'd suggest hard money, not fiat currency because of the temptation to debase the latter leading to societal instability) and whether you would still permit usury (the interest that needs to be repaid demands growth; if you have this you commit to a society that must continue to have growth at higher levels to repay debt + interest: ie, just like our current society.) Myself, I don't mind it (nice when a TD matures), but imagine a society where ongoing exponential growth was not required... That way the leather and S&M gear would not tend to inflate in price over many years, and there would not be a push to make more than organically required, or import more people to wear it to increase demand to make more, etc etc
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Quote....... That's the ultimate goal here, to get people laid back as far as possible that they don't need to work super hard.
Just become a Public Servant............
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Can we call it Jonestown?
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I would use lots of leather, black leather and kinky S&M gear, V8 Monaros and GTs, like my heroes did.
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That is so cool really, drove some of those roads teaching the young fella to drive, pointing out bits in the movie as we went...
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The most important thing is ensuring we have sufficient bunkers:
For all politicians, to ensure that we have a functioning democracy; Sufficient (senior?) Government Workers, to maintain a functioning Government; Academia, to preserve knowledge and the advancement thereof; Artists or all kinds, to preserve our culture; Business Leaders, Entrepreneurs, and even Billionaires, to make sure we are able to rebuild our economy and industries. Then make sure they are all locked from the outside. |
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Utopia?
Easy...just let me own everything and you can buy it back off me. I give my family all the important jobs and titles and convince all others that our bloodline is superior and you should aspire to be like us. My family should of course be above the laws of the land and if not we can change them to suit us. Hell....we will even start a religion and put our family up as the leaders of that. Then maybe give me a crown and a palace...or three? For sheets and giggles we can go to far away lands and plunder their resources which we ship back home. If there is a problem or dissent there we can get our Governor general to sack their government by proxy thereby washing the blood off our hands. Welcome to the foreign controlled kingdom of Strayya...you're standing in it. |
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Well I think the basic things work well here. The only thing we need is the freedom of opportunity and the rest will sort itself out.
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I have thought about this quite a bit.
Something like Star Trek would be ideal. When you think about it, as a general rule we are an egotistical, profit driven, selfish society that is more focused on personal satisfaction, greed and unhealthy competition. Quote:
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If there is no possession, then there is no food. Modern History has seen a few attempts to create a Socialist Utopia. The Best attempt, and the one that stuck most closely to its Socialist Ideals, was that created by the National Socialists. Had it not been for those pesky imperialists in the UK and US, I'm sure they would have succeeded in creating a Vibrant, Modern, and prosperous Europe. Their methods were a little harsh, outright murdering millions of people who didn't fit with their vision, but I'm sure the end result would have been quite something.
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I just did a little google search - 9 million people a year die from hunger related diseases. A child every 10 seconds. We have the ability and technology to feed every mouth on this planet several times over yet we don't. Food isn't a possession, it's a necessity. It's only a possession when you have a surplus that is to be sold.
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The Media is just like Nazi Germanys propaganda machine nowadays, it's a fact that they are being controlled by such cunning morons who are so full of lies that would even make Hitler blush. we are all being taken for fools just as the average German was back in Hitler's days. The trap has being set in motion now for over a 100 years and it's all gone to plan the next stage is on the cards. even the greenies openly claim to hope to wipe out 80% of the worlds population to save the planet, but who holds them to account ! the media turns a blind eye, nothing to be seen here ! all is good. ![]() |
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Guys. he isn't referencing Lennon's song he's saying that he wants a Star Trek like universe.
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Starfleet does not equal Communism! Which if you know Star Trek it involves: #1 no money, just trade. this prevents hoarding of money (which has no purpose for humankind). 1 bar of latinum is the exception, this is Ferengi culture not Starfleet's, aka human. If you want to hoard money you can do so but its pointless because anyone can manufacture anything they want to with sunlight + a replicator. #2 No warring nations because there is no shortage of food, through synthetic production of food and the manufacture of food on a global scale famine is no more. Neither is pollution, recycling is very nearly 100% on earth in the Star Trek universe. #3 Population control through depopulating of planet earth via space travel. #4 The ability to build ships through trade of wealth, mining of asteroids and other planets. The 3D printer is the very early version of the replicator and its only a matter of time before 3D printers make it into space and we can build our own ships without having to launch them from earth. There is also a dark side to Star Trek. That is in the lore there is a cataclysmic world war before we reach the nirvana of the widely popular current-day Star Trek where we're exploring the universe. Part of this can be seen in the movie Star Trek: First Contact where there is a camp of people in a shantytown. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...k#21st_century So the stepping stones are: #1 Automate everything especially the production of food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1ieL7x3AMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGcYApKfHuY #2 3D print everything. Automate all factories. including the manufacture of solar panels. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ated+factories #3 ??? #4 PROFIT!! Btw JJ Abrams is a ****. Last edited by gooseneck; 11-08-2020 at 03:22 PM. |
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1) World conflict 2) Pandemic 3) Alien invasion 4) God returning / making himself / herself known.
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It's so good isn't it?
From the rage era of late 80's early 90's - special effects without any CGI lol Catchy tune Mum had us into the Trek as small kids, she loves it
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