Brand new manual car...

[zlcrazy]

Hi all,

Next year i will be purchasing a brand new 2018 Nissan X-Trail. I will more likely be looking at a 7seater so this question may not be revelent as the 7seater is auto only.

But anyway, i have test driven a brand new manual X-Trail an lpved it. But everyone i talk to says i will be stuck with it when trade in time comes along...

Whats everyone's thoughts on that?

TIA
James

[Crazy Dazz]

News Flash:
Dealers will always try to rip you off when it comes trade-in time.
Doesn't matter what you have they will claim nobody wants it.
Reality is that if you intend to trade, it probably won't make a difference. If you want to sell privately then yes it may, and you need to consider the demographic of your prospective purchasers.

But if you are a buying a new car with a view to resale, then the simple answer is "don't." Cars cost money, you're paying for the "luxury" so buy want YOU want.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

News Flash:
Dealers will always try to rip you off when it comes trade-in time.
Doesn't matter what you have they will claim nobody wants it.
Reality is that if you intend to trade, it probably won't make a difference. If you want to sell privately then yes it may, and you need to consider the demographic of your prospective purchasers.

But if you are a buying a new car with a view to resale, then the simple answer is "don't." Cars cost money, you're paying for the "luxury" so buy want YOU want.

Big Dealerships will work off redbook valuations so you will know before hand what to expect, if any they do not want your trade in if the vehicle is over a certain age and recommend you sell it privately for the extra price you may seek.
As for used car sale yards expect the ripoff if you are dopey enough to use them.

[Itsme]

Most owners want auto's these days so I believe an auto will outsell manual for an X-trail model.

[roKWiz]

Its a shame manual cars are falling out of favour, I wonder whether govco and the car companies (now with free auto) are guiding us all towards auto's so they can slip in their control / driverless car agenda.
However, I don't see why resale value would be badly affected by being a manual.

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Its a shame manual cars are falling out of favour, I wonder whether govco and the car companies (now with free auto) are guiding us all towards auto's so they can slip in their control / driverless car agenda.
However, I don't see why resale value would be badly affected by being a manual.

Sports cars, Falcons and particularly XR6T's, F6's and GT's in manual are highly sort after being rarer.
SUV's and "mum and dad" type cars on the other hand are less desirable with manuals IMO.

[.:4:.]

If you want a manual buy one and worry about resale when the time comes. Between the time you buy it and the time you sell who knows what may happen. If you plan to keep it for 200 thousand kays then the gearbox probably won't make a difference in resale. I personally prefer autos yet I drive a manual. It's no real issue switching between either.

[jstanovic]

My mate got bugger all for his ~5 year old Honda Euro manual. No calls from private sale, dealers lowballed him because it was manual. They said if it was auto then it would sell no probs.

Another mate picked up a newish RAV4 manual for a great price at the dealer, it had been sitting for a couple months as it was manual, they were just grateful to get rid of it.

If you are planning on trading it in in a couple years then auto is the go. Many more people are getting auto only licences so buying a manual will rule out many prospective buyers.

But you are the one that is driving it, no point buying an auto if you hate it. I would go the manual over the CVT in the Xtrail anyday.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by jstanovic

My mate got bugger all for his ~5 year old Honda Euro manual. No calls from private sale, dealers lowballed him because it was manual. They said if it was auto then it would sell no probs.

After which they doubled the price and advertised it as "Rare."

If you have a wagon, a manual, a diesel, a whatever, if you are trading-in they tell you that nobody wants them, and then they tell the buyer how rare it is and they can't get enough.

[Shonky.]

bugger configuring a new car for the next owner

just choose want you want to own

[commodorenutt]

Originally Posted by Shonky.

bugger configuring a new car for the next owner

just choose want you want to own

Exactly. A mate of mine has a favourite saying.

"Not driving your car, to avoid racking up km, is like not (polite version) having relations with your missus, so you can save her for the next bloke."

If you want a manual, buy it. Sure, you may get $2K less when it comes time to sell, but over 3 years, that's $2 a day.
Would you pay $2 a day to drive something YOU want, vs something you are doing to please a future owner?

It's like owning a V8 as a daily. Sure, a 4 cylinder buzzbox will get you to & from work, but the $10/week more it costs to drive the V8 to work is worth every single cent, many times over.

[au350hp]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

Exactly. A mate of mine has a favourite saying.

"Not driving your car, to avoid racking up km, is like not (polite version) having relations with your missus, so you can save her for the next bloke."

If you want a manual, buy it. Sure, you may get $2K less when it comes time to sell, but over 3 years, that's $2 a day.
Would you pay $2 a day to drive something YOU want, vs something you are doing to please a future owner?

It's like owning a V8 as a daily. Sure, a 4 cylinder buzzbox will get you to & from work, but the $10/week more it costs to drive the V8 to work is worth every single cent, many times over.

When or if it comes time to sell, if it is maintained & has a history of works performed like many enthusiasts do, you will attract the type of buyer who appreciates a cars uniqueness & history, and will pay more than someone looking for an 2nd or cheaper car.

[Big_Daz]

Don't buy a car now based on something that may or may not happen in X years time when you sell... By whatever you want/suits you best...

[Brazen]

When getting our XTrail I briefly entertained manual, but it wasn’t available in the spec I wanted.

XTrail has been more enjoyable to live with and drive than I expected, so sometimes I wished I had gone a manual one.

Is resale that much of an issue, I assume you would save at least a couple of grand over an auto so you have that as a buffer if you go to sell.

We have a family friend who bought an XTrail a year before us and the whole time I had assumed it was an auto. The wife was chatting and told us she only drives manuals, yep her XTrail was a manual.

[GO FURTHER]

In 2004 only 33% of Australian car licence holders had a licence to drive a manual.

By 2009, that figure had fallen to 26%.

I would hazard a guess that 8 years later in 2017, that figure would now be down to about 20%.

When you come to sell a manual car another 5 years from now, it will be down to 16% with young drivers opting for auto and aging manual licence holders no longer driving.

Your chances of selling the car then will be further greatly reduced.

[Mercury Bullet]

For the life of me i couldn't sell a manual HSV despite it listing as the cheapest on car sales.
6 months and not one phone call. I reluctantly ended up selling it to a p plater.

Car was completely stock. LS3

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

In 2004 only 33% of Australian car licence holders had a licence to drive a manual.

By 2009, that figure had fallen to 26%.

I would hazard a guess that 8 years later in 2017, that figure would now be down to about 20%.

When you come to sell a manual car another 5 years from now, it will be down to 16% with young drivers opting for auto and aging manual licence holders no longer driving.

Your chances of selling the car then will be further greatly reduced.

Wow are those figures for real?? I only know one person who has an auto only license i would have guessed at least 70% could drive a manual.

[BPXR6T]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

In 2004 only 33% of Australian car licence holders had a licence to drive a manual.

By 2009, that figure had fallen to 26%.

I would hazard a guess that 8 years later in 2017, that figure would now be down to about 20%.

When you come to sell a manual car another 5 years from now, it will be down to 16% with young drivers opting for auto and aging manual licence holders no longer driving.

Your chances of selling the car then will be further greatly reduced.

Irrelevant. The A condition is removed from your licence when you go full licence. I started out with an auto licence myself. Its logical as there are more important things to worry about than shifting gears as a new driver. Auto = training wheels which is why most new drivers go for auto only, its a driving aid. Nearly everyone I know who started on an auto licence eventually alternated between auto/manual. Myself, I learned on google one night and started driving manual from then on. Hate driving auto now. Last three cars I purchased were manual.

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by BPXR6T

Irrelevant. The A condition is removed from your licence when you go full licence.

Not correct for all states in Australia.

It only applies to SA, VIC and NSW.

In QLD & WA, if you have an automatic licence and you then want to drive a manual you must;

In QLD

If you have an automatic (A) condition on your licence you must not drive a manual transmission vehicle.

If you want to learn to drive a manual transmission vehicle you must:

Be supervised by a person who has held an open licence for at least 1 year in that class and display L plates on the vehicle while learning.

If you want to remove the A condition from your licence, you will need to pass a practical driving test in a manual transmission vehicle.

In WA

If you are the holder of a car licence which is restricted to automatic transmission use you will need to also pass the Practical Driving Assessment: Car (C class) first.

[78xcgxl]

With traffic these days, can you blame people for wanting an auto. Most commuters spend hours in traffic everyday, the last thing you want is to be pushing the clutch in and out 100 times to move 100meters. Another factor is autos are so good now that they are quicker, very responsive, better on fuel and stronger compared to manuals. No longer a disadvantage, in fact an advantage. Manuals are an extinct dinosaur ready to be laid to rest.

[BENT_8]

The current xtrail in auto is CVT isnt it, i wouldn't go near one personally.

A few months ago my mate brought home a new Suzuki Vitara with CVT, i like to test drive whatever he has as a drive car so he threw me the keys and it was the most gutless piece of **** i've ever driven, even worse than the CVT outlander we had.
Next day he brings me home a manual version, completely different car.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

The current xtrail in auto is CVT isnt it, i wouldn't go near one personally.

A few months ago my mate brought home a new Suzuki Vitara with CVT, i like to test drive whatever he has as a drive car so he threw me the keys and it was the most gutless piece of **** i've ever driven, even worse than the CVT outlander we had.
Next day he brings me home a manual version, completely different car.

Vitara actually runs a torque converter auto :-) Maybe a Swift ?

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Vitara actually runs a torque converter auto :-) Maybe a Swift ?

Well if thats the case, its the worst conventional auto i've ever driven because it was completely gutless until you revved its guts out, the same as our outlander did.
I know the Grand Vitara is torque convertor because it still uses the old 4sp, drove that and it drank fuel like you wouldn't believe.

Drove the swift turbo too, looking forward to the new turbo sport thats supposedly coming soon, should be a rocket for what it is.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Vitara actually runs a torque converter auto :-) Maybe a Swift ?

Just following up on this, spoke to old mate across the road this morning, he's a new car sales man who sells Suzuki amongst other brands.
I asked him about the Vitara again and what trans it runs, he says CVT.
I said, i hate to tell you how to do your job but you might want to do some research on the cars you're selling as it actually runs a torque converter 6sp.
No it isnt, he says, yes it is i say and then showed him a carsguide review which highlights its conventional 6sp as a positive.
he was like, but i've been telling my customers its a CVT, i said how have they taken that news, not too well he says..lol

To be fair though, i took his word for it as he sells the damn things and having driven it the changes were non existent and it drove the same as our CVT Outlander did but for the purpose of the thread i'll stand by my comments regardless of the type of auto it runs, the manual version is a better car hands down.

[au350hp]

The older all our cars become, the less it matters whether its manual or auto because the condition of the body, interior & motor become much more relevant. I can't recall a time where a 20 plus year old car has had its sale price affected by transmission.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Just following up on this, spoke to old mate across the road this morning, he's a new car sales man who sells Suzuki amongst other brands.
I asked him about the Vitara again and what trans it runs, he says CVT.
I said, i hate to tell you how to do your job but you might want to do some research on the cars you're selling as it actually runs a torque converter 6sp.
No it isnt, he says, yes it is i say and then showed him a carsguide review which highlights its conventional 6sp as a positive.
he was like, but i've been telling my customers its a CVT, i said how have they taken that news, not too well he says..lol

To be fair though, i took his word for it as he sells the damn things and having driven it the changes were non existent and it drove the same as our CVT Outlander did but for the purpose of the thread i'll stand by my comments regardless of the type of auto it runs, the manual version is a better car hands down.

That is pretty common with car salesman , many have limited knowledge of their product . CVT gives itself away under wide open throttle as it holds the revs at max torque and adjusts the gearing while TC will rev out and change gears.
Many manufacturers confuse mattter further by programming artificial gear change points into CVTs but they still revert to typical cvt behaviour under full load.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

The current xtrail in auto is CVT isnt it, i wouldn't go near one personally.

A few months ago my mate brought home a new Suzuki Vitara with CVT, i like to test drive whatever he has as a drive car so he threw me the keys and it was the most gutless piece of **** i've ever driven, even worse than the CVT outlander we had.
Next day he brings me home a manual version, completely different car.

CVT in the Xtrail, which is why its best to go for a manual.

The older diesel manual was a very economical zippy machine, unfortunately they've changed the engine in the new model to a 1.6L slug.

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

For the life of me i couldn't sell a manual HSV despite it listing as the cheapest on car sales.
6 months and not one phone call. I reluctantly ended up selling it to a p plater.

Car was completely stock. LS3

I sold my manual FG XR50 for 3 or $4000 more than I would have got if it was an automatic. Heaps of XR50 autos on Carsales, manuals are rare and desirable for this model.

Originally Posted by 78xcgxl

With traffic these days, can you blame people for wanting an auto. Most commuters spend hours in traffic everyday, the last thing you want is to be pushing the clutch in and out 100 times to move 100meters. Another factor is autos are so good now that they are quicker, very responsive, better on fuel and stronger compared to manuals. No longer a disadvantage, in fact an advantage. Manuals are an extinct dinosaur ready to be laid to rest.

Not necessarily. There are some drivers around who still prefer manuals as they are more a drivers car in the gears. Then there are some who don't mind either transmission type. Of course it depends on which car is being referred to however. And CVT's as in the Xtrail aren't all that quick or desirable to drive anyway.

Also I do know my manual XR50 fuel economy was on par with the auto version.

[lra]

If a manual Xtrail is so undesirable to other buyers, offer to take the new one off his hands for a substantial discount on the RRP.

[danzvtil]

I tried to sell my manual 2yo rio for 6 months, didn't get one phone call. If it was auto it would have gone quick smart.
If buying new make sure you get a hefty discount on manual, as autos are mostly free or NCO nowadays.

[Junkyard-Dog]

Get the car you want and drive it as much as possible. As far as I can tell, you will only get one chance at life.