Panel vs Pod

mudwaa · 19-09-2007, 03:12 PM

As a panel filter looks to have at least the same filtration area to a pod could you take out the second box on the LS and run a CAI through to the standard box and get the same results as a pod?

mudwaa · 19-09-2007, 03:13 PM

Sorry i should have added using an aftermarket filter such as k&n or BMC

photn · 19-09-2007, 04:20 PM

i dont see why not. May not work as effective as a proper CAI but should definately provide much more induction over standard.

Piotr · 19-09-2007, 09:12 PM

It all depends whats causing the restriction. Removing the 2nd airbox sounds like a good start

Penko13 · 20-09-2007, 06:28 PM

Hey

For a While i was running a CAI with a pod filter, with both air boxes removed and i was happy with it for a while.

I changed the set up by removing the 2nd air box and running a performance Panel air filter in the standard box. to my suprise the car went and breathed significantly better than with the pod.

I asked around and some people told me that some cars dont take well to pod's, dont no how true that is?

Hope this helps,
Cheers

mudwaa · 20-09-2007, 06:42 PM

yeah id had k&n panel in my first focus. thinking bout another or maybe the new Lukey panel. so will look into removing the second box and running a hose straight into the main. figuring it cant hurt but try.

amlohac · 21-09-2007, 01:42 AM

Pod are for turbos, putting a pod in a naturally aspirated car wont to squat other than make a wickedly awesome noise. Use a high flow pannel in your focus, I used a k&n in my 02 focus and i use a bmc in my subaru, i think the bmc performs alot better.

Get rid of that second air box forsure and the air box silencer, if there is one o the new focus.

NO PODS, big no-no. Sucks hot air, sucks big balls.

4dlvr · 21-09-2007, 02:37 AM

i think people are misunderstanding the concept of filters..
pod filters DO suck more air with less restriction, no doubt about it, its a proven fact.
but leaving a pod filter open in an engine bay will cause it to suck hot air, now because cold air is made up of smaller particles then hot air it burns better.
in conclusion if you can get a good setup (a pod filter boxed) then a pod filter will give you better gains then a pannel filter

photn · 21-09-2007, 10:09 AM

BAsically your just saying a CAI...

Such as the BMC CDA = THE BEST CAI imo

K&N Apollo,
Viper intake like MelbZetec.

All those with cold air feeds from the bottom of the car will improve over any stock panel filter.

Conquest_Tsi · 21-09-2007, 10:39 AM

Is it safe to remove the 2nd airbox?

BlackLS · 21-09-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Conquest_Tsi

Is it safe to remove the 2nd airbox?

On the 1 in a zillion chance you get checked by the EPA, then you could potentially fail a noise test. VERY unlikely though.

BlackLS · 21-09-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by amlohac

Get rid of that second air box forsure and the air box silencer, if there is one o the new focus.

There pretty much one in the same.

FocusLSHE · 22-09-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackLS

There pretty much one in the same.

Yeah,
there is only the original panel filter box, which has a pipe at base which runs to the silencer box. that then reverts the the front passenger guard and sucks air in above the wheel arch. i can see why they did it. it does create a quiter smooth intake, but this is totally outweighed by the simplest performance upgrade and quickest you can do on these things. i think it should be the first thing a focus buyer should do. even if you place it to your mouth and create a seal and blow into it you can feel the back pressure and how it restrics air flow. amazing responce change to throttle, and fantastic sound from engine. (If anyone needs to know how to do it, ask me

)

I am yet to find a Cold air Intake to connect to bottom of the box. atm, its just free sucking air from bottom into panel filter. does anyone have any suggestions, and where should the CAI inlet be placed?

What was "smooth as " is now full on Horn!

amlohac · 24-09-2007, 10:32 PM

My Subaru has exactly the same setup in regards to the silencer, you take it off and the induction noise is very different, very nice. I think you get a drop in torque if you remove the box though? Not TOTALLY sure if thats true, but thats what i have heard

BlackLS · 25-09-2007, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FocusLSHE

even if you place it to your mouth and create a seal and blow into it you can feel the back pressure and how it restrics air flow.

Flow testing - FocusLSHE style

BlackLS · 25-09-2007, 01:07 AM

If you do a quick search I've written up instructions a couple of times on how to remove the lower airbox.

FocusLSHE, If you measure up the pipe diameter, go to a truck exhaust place and get some off-cut bends, and some silicon joiners and clamps, and and custom join the piping to go around the side of the radiator into the front airdam, almost like its getting air rammed into the pipe headon.

amlohac - No reduction in torque at all, screams up top. The focus intake manifold from what I've read, have inbuilt butterfly runners that open up over a certain RPM to help the torque situation.

Conquest_Tsi · 25-09-2007, 09:47 AM

Can someone find said instructions and link please!

Conquest_Tsi · 25-09-2007, 09:50 AM

I assume this is it?

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...emoving+airbox

BlackLS · 25-09-2007, 02:46 PM

yes

FocusLSHE · 02-10-2007, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackLS

Flow testing - FocusLSHE style

What can i say!!>! im good with my mouth.. HAHA

20focus05 · 02-10-2007, 02:29 PM

Have had my 2nd air box removed for a while, have also noticed a reduction in fuel usage. Daughter has same car but hers has cat back sports exhaust and says ours goes harder than hers.
I have designed a modified air dam for cold air.

Conquest_Tsi · 03-10-2007, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 20focus05

Have had my 2nd air box removed for a while, have also noticed a reduction in fuel usage. Daughter has same car but hers has cat back sports exhaust and says ours goes harder than hers.
I have designed a modified air dam for cold air.

Pics?

FESTEC · 04-10-2007, 12:59 PM

My question is how the hell have you all that have removed the airbox, got the oild breather hose off from the airbox so I can get it out of the car completly, I have tried but I can not get it to come off, am I doing something wrong?? PLEASE HELP!!!!

BlackLS · 04-10-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Conquest_Tsi

Pics?

Of the intake or the daughter

Festec, make sure the rubber loop at the front of the airbox is removed (front as in the side which is closest to the firewall). After thats done, just pull it up, it will require a bit of force so grip it well.

20focus05 · 04-10-2007, 02:35 PM

festec if you are asking about the removal of the second air box here is a copy of what BlackLS wrote in another section
IT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT REMOVING AIR FILTER BOX
There are 2 ways - Cutting and removing the pipe (which is moulded into the lower airbox) or actually removing the airbox. Both have the same outcome but if you want to return it back to stock the latter is recommended.

To remove it -
1. Jack the car up a good height, throw your axle stands under it and remove the front passenger wheel.
2. Remove the front passenger headlight
3. Remove the Upper airbox (remove the spring clip for the TB hose and remove the thick circular band connecting the airbox with the radiator support, half way through pulling it out, you will see the crank case ventilation pipe to remove)
4. From here you can see the second airbox pipe leading to the second airbox
5. Remove the screws for the front plastic section of the passenger wheel guard, as well as the plastic underneath the 2nd airbox.
6. With a LOT of persuasion work the airbox out through the space you have. I think I remember seeing some rubber grommets etc to hold the box in place and stop vibrations, just pull it through
7. Once removed put everything back in place in reverse order (remember to replace the crank case ventilation pipe)

To just cut the pipe between the upper and lower airbox:
1. Remove the Upper airbox (remove the spring clip for the TB hose and remove the thick circular band connecting the airbox with the radiator support, half way through pulling it out, you will see the crank case ventilation pipe to remove)
2. From here you can see the second airbox pipe leading to the second airbox
3. Cut this pipe by whatever means
4. Put everything back together in reverse order

FESTEC · 04-10-2007, 04:16 PM

No 20focus05, I am talking about the oil breather hose ( black plastic it is) that is conected to the back right of the engine block when you are looking at it from the front of the car and then conected to the bottom back of the airfilter box as there is a filter in the box for the oil fumes, but for the life of me I can not get this god damn hose off, it's giving me the shits. I don't want to just cut it as if I do so it will be to short and I will not be able to put it back on. The reason why is because I have a pod filter that I want to put on and see how it goes and if I dont like it I will put the air filter box in. HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP PP!!!!

BlackLS · 04-10-2007, 05:34 PM

Its sort of an oval clip for the pipe. Mines broken trying to get it off with a screwdriver and levering it.

Having a look at it once it was disconnected with the box, its sort of an oval clip where you press the sides of oval to make the clip open, where you can then pull it off.

FESTEC · 04-10-2007, 05:40 PM

BlackLS thanks heaps I will give that a go tomorrow.

Penko · 05-10-2007, 05:52 AM

i broke my fuel breather pipe to, trying to get it off. its almost impossible to not break it lol.

also would be interested to see how your pod goes with the car, as i had one on it and was not 100% happy with it. so i changed it back

Cheers

20focus05 · 05-10-2007, 10:47 PM

Think you need pointy nose pliers?? I know it was a pain in the Ahole. clips on either side of it